Diggler would've been put away for life.

They do indeed. Lots of people believe in various forms of "animal rights" too. They, too, are entirely theoretical. But philosophically important to many (myself included).

 

No. They believe that we should all have those rights. They know better than to believe we all have them.

 

Good point there. Please take that as read in my last post.

 

Sorry, but your previous comment about the US freeing up France was nothing but a cheap shot because you're angry and have nothing else to say. You and I both know it so cut the horsecrap

And no, I'm not angry one bit. I didnt expect anymore from you

 

Dead-on balls accurate.

I certainly hope not. Because if *every* person currently in such a situation agrees, then there is no hope of a leader rising up who will work to overthrow the oppressors and improve the lives of the people. Or, maybe, we should just go back to colonialism in Africa and slavery in the US, as these people probably didn't believe that they'd ever be able to exercise their rights, either? Well, I'm fairly certain that the descendents of these people are very happy that their ancestors didn't think like you!

Because, if you don't believe in the rights, then there is nothing to defend or fight for.

 

Sorry, but you cannot compare colonialism or slavery in the US with the situation of some of these countries overrun by guerillas and corrupt governments.

 

Again, you're kidding, right?

 

No, I'm very serious. I've spent all year studying journalism, and I know quite well the situation in those countries. They're just not comparable. The level of poverty of both the states and the population make it so even if such a "charismatic leader" were to come forward he/she wouldnt be able to change anything, to make himself/herself heard, and would probably be killed so quickly we wouldn't even hear about him/her in the first place.

Thats the way things are. Isn't that the very argument for the war in Iraq? How can you not understand such reality?

 

History not relevant even by a long shot to the current discussion - thus a cheap shot.

Do I bring up how you americans are all mass genociders for using the A bomb every 3 seconds in topics that have nothing to do with it? Nope, I sure dont

 

Basically, I think you're saying that you're a defeatist, while I am an optimist. If that makes me naive, so be it!

 

True. It's authoritarian and totalitarian thinking. In many otherwise free societies some people are actually sympathetic toward authoritarian/totalitarian actions by their own government (or others), as long as they are directed at others. These can often be wrapped in the mantel of "order" or "tradition" or "security."

 

The difference with the french revolution was that they were being oppressed, and they were using the firearms specifically to fight said oppressors. Escalation forced them to defend themselves with such firearms.

Although I can honestly say I don't worry about encountering any pumas any time soon.

I'm with Mark on this one. RTBA is a political right granted to American citizens by the consitution and a body of men, recognized only in the US. It is not, however, a universal right. The right to life and the right to defend said life against attackers is a basic human right, but this is not the same as the RTBA.

IMO, owning a firearm may be a right to US citizens in the US, but otherwise, it is a privilege through and through, much as driving, air conditioning, and a nice house.

 

Not at all. I'm as much an optimist as you are in this case. This isnt a question of optimism vs pessimism, its a question of knowing what the situation in such countries is like.

 

are you refering to the us?

 

And, once again, peace reigned over the land...

 

you know, 99% of the people agree on everything, we just say it all differently and argue for hours about it just to reinforce our mutual opinions

 

And, because it's fun...

 

Well, that's whats fun about it Also we get to take cheap shots on each other's countries and the likes. Gotta love it