Dismiss Notice

Psst... Ready to join TalkBass and start posting, make new friends, sell your gear, and more?  Register your free account in 30 seconds.

Discontinueing the Grendal?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by BassMan2000, Mar 11, 2002.


  1. BassMan2000

    BassMan2000

    Sep 27, 2000
    Canada
    I heard rumor that they are stopping/discontinueing MTD- Grendal and Heir basses? I wonder if any else has heard that? I'm looking into getting one and wouldn't like to purchase a discountinued model.
     
  2. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Hadn't heard anything about either but since the Heir is the latest model that would be surprising. You might want to ask Adrian Garcia.
     
  3. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    The Czech made MTDs have been discontinued. MTD will have another bass made in Korea called the Saratoga that is in effect a Grendel. I haven't heard anything about the Heir. Adrian would be the person to ask.
     
  4. DonovanBankhead

    DonovanBankhead Banned Commercial User

    Aug 25, 2001
    Springfield, MO
    Owner - FretSpot.com; Vice President - Springfield Music
    I talked w/Michael Tobias about this at NAMM, and I believe he said that the Grendel is going to be discontinued, but that the Heir would still be in production. I'm waiting from him to return from Musik Messe, because I'm considering becoming an MTD dealer and would like to know what product he will have available.

    Also, someone needs to volunteer to update the MTD website for him! That thing is two years old, and hasn't been touched!

    Donovan
    donovan@springfield-music.com
     
  5. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    The basses on the right that are lined up are the new Korean made Saratogas. The pic was borrowed from Adrian's site.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. DonovanBankhead

    DonovanBankhead Banned Commercial User

    Aug 25, 2001
    Springfield, MO
    Owner - FretSpot.com; Vice President - Springfield Music
    Wow! Those look terrific! I'll buy 12! :)
     
  7. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    I do not believe that those are the Saratoga but rather Grendels. I had the opportunity to play a Saratoga at Mike's shop. It will be very similar to the Grendel, 8mm wood top, USA made parts, assembled in Korea. The bass is still in the prototype phase, though. It should do a really nice job replacing the Grendel and Beast.

    Mike Dimin
     
  8. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    Hey Mike,

    That picture was taken at the NAMM show by Adrian and I specifically asked him what those basses were. His response was that they were the Saratogas. I don't think that there will be a great deal of difference between the Grendel and the Saratoga other than where they were made. BTW, Adrian is an MTD dealer.
     
  9. adrian garcia

    adrian garcia

    Apr 9, 2001
    las vegas. nevada
    Endorsing Artist: Nordy Basses, Schroeder Cabs, Gallien Krueger Amps
    Mike- those are Saratogas as per Mike Tobias- as i looked around to see what he brought, he said " those are the new Saratogas- Its essentially a Grendel, but made in Korea. They will list between $1500 and $1600. I asked about getting some for my shop, pruduction is still in progress.. but they are definitely Saratogas, unless Mike was joking, but i think not- there are , however, a handful of Grendels left to be assembled in Mike's shop. maybe 10 or 12 of them- I wouldnt steer away from a model because its been discontinued, though.. the Grendels are great basses- they did not enjoy the popularity of the Kingston, but its a lot more bass. though i love the K's .. dont get me wrong-- so in fact, you have a choice... there will be a few more Czech Grendels assembled, or wait and get a Saratoga.. which will be less expensive and essentially the same , but korean- having said that, the Czech made basses are solid as anything!! i know Mike regretted discontinuing there.. but they had trouble getting his orders right and that can be very costly. By the way, the Kingstons and heirs are NOT discontinued, there is a shipment on the way from Korea as we speak-Anyone with questions can email me at info@access-bass.com
     
  10. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    Adrian,
    he must have gotten some Saratogas in between the time I played the first prototype in early December and the NAMM show. With the problems he's had with distribution, I am glad that he had them at NAMM. As you can testify, the Saratoga is an amazing instrument.

    Also my understanding on the Saratoga is that all the hardware is US made. (body and assembly in Korea)

    Mike
     
  11. adrian garcia

    adrian garcia

    Apr 9, 2001
    las vegas. nevada
    Endorsing Artist: Nordy Basses, Schroeder Cabs, Gallien Krueger Amps
    Could very well be, Mike- i dont know much about the hardware. It looks promosing, though, and the finishes were exquisite.
     
  12. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Hey Mike, congrats on the endorsement.
     
  13. gfab333

    gfab333

    Mar 22, 2000
    Honolulu, Hawaii
    I just played a 5 string Czech-made Grendel that looks like the fourth one back in ebozzz's pic. It played and sounded great. I'd buy one if I had some spare cash. They are well worth the money.
     
  14. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    Brad,
    Thanks. Working with Michael will be fun.

    Mike
     
  15. adrian garcia

    adrian garcia

    Apr 9, 2001
    las vegas. nevada
    Endorsing Artist: Nordy Basses, Schroeder Cabs, Gallien Krueger Amps
    Mike- i missed it- what wil you be doing with Mike T? will you be working with him? cool!
    I dont know if you can help me- but i was trrying to find find out how to get in touch with Pat- who does his lacquers when he lacquers the basses- my bass is there and im trying to get a time frame- i know MT is in Germany- do you know who this Pat is or how i can reach him? just wondering..peace, Adrian
     
  16. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    Adrian,

    I should make you read the interview here with me (it is on the home page - :D ). I'm surprised you didn't you notice the Heir on the home page. Anyway I am a product specialist for the Korean line of instruments (obviously, he doesn't need one for his Handmade ones). How it will work out in the details, I'm not sure yet, but I'll prbably be doing some clinics for dealers and the such. The fact that I play solo, is a good fit for that kind of work. Much has to be worked out still with the new distributer.

    As for Pat, I really don't know anything. Sorry I cannot be of any help.

    I am waiting on my 435 as well. I will posting a pictorial documentary on my site when I get a few more pics

    Mike
     
  17. ebozzz

    ebozzz Supporting Member

    May 17, 2001
    Denver, Colorado
    The pic belongs to A.G. He was just nice enough to let me use it. :) I agree with you gfab. The Grendel is VERY nice and so is the Beast if you can find one. I really hope that the quality of the Korean made instruments is as good or better than the Czech made goods.
     
  18. adrian garcia

    adrian garcia

    Apr 9, 2001
    las vegas. nevada
    Endorsing Artist: Nordy Basses, Schroeder Cabs, Gallien Krueger Amps
    Ebozzz - you can use my pics anytime, bro-
    Mike- i ususally bypass the homepage and come right to the forums- but im headed there now!!-