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DIY - Building a Schroeder cabinet

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Agent000, Nov 15, 2005.


  1. Agent000

    Agent000

    Jan 23, 2005
    Well, I'd really like to get a Schroeder 1012, but at close to $800, I was thinking about building one. The external size is 23"W x 16"H x 16"D, so I'm pretty good to go on the general size. Actually, a half sheet of quality plywood would be sufficient.

    The issues I'm having are the specifics on the internal bracing, and the angle or top-down triangle formed by the side fired speaker. Also, I can only assume there is a port, but I don't see one on any of the picutres.

    If anyone out there has ever opened a schoeder, or at least can measure the side fired speaker specs, I'd appreciate it.
     
  2. getz76

    getz76

    Apr 3, 2005
    Hoboken, NJ
    I have never played, heard, or seen this cabinet in the flesh.

    I doubt you'll save a material amount of cash doing this for what is most likely an inferior clone.

    Why not search the used market?
     
  3. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    +1
     
  4. MODNY

    MODNY Guest

    Nov 9, 2004
    i hope he can build this, and make everyone jelous
     
  5. Are you going to order some speakers from Jorg or something? If you copy his design and then put different speakers in there you will have very different results.
     
  6. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had my cabinet open but if you want to try build one you'd be best served by going a looking at one in person.

    Then you're going to have the problems of picking appropriate drivers and making the right crossover choice.

    Knowing that it's hard to sway me when I get my mind set on doing something all I can say is good luck and let us know how it turns out.
     
  7. BuffaloBob4343

    BuffaloBob4343 Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    Not only that, but given my loyalty to Jorg as a customer, I'm not sure that I would feel comfortable facilitating a clone of his design anyway. I realize that this would probably be just a one-off and probably wouldn't lead to much revenue loss, but still.....

    Jorg went to a lot of effort and expense to engineer his design. Given that I am an IP attorney, I know that if the design is not patented, then it is in the public domain and everyone has a right to copy it. But I can't help but think that if one is going to reverse engineer a design, they should buy there own copy of the product that they intend to copy or in the alternative, one should simply do their best to originate their own version of it through the same trial and error and or engineering design process as the guy that did the original design one is trying to knock off.

    Just my 2.5 cents.
     
  8. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    By the way, I'm not the one planning on building one and I bought a cabinet made by Jorg just like everyone else.
     
  9. BuffaloBob4343

    BuffaloBob4343 Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    Akami, I know that. :)

    That's why when I quoted you, I started out by saying, "Not only that but...."

    You were remarking to the original poster's question for guidance from a Schroeder owner. I was just adding to what you said. ;)
     
  10. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    You did say that! Sorry I just saw the response to my post and didn't pay enough attention to the opening line. :D

    Anyway speaking of Schroeder, I see you have my speaker cabinet! Well, one I'd like to add to the collection anyway! :hyper:
     
  11. BuffaloBob4343

    BuffaloBob4343 Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    I love my 21012. I can't wait to gig it!!

    But like you, I already want to add another one to my collection. Either the 410 or the 1210.
     
  12. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    If you're really gassing for a 1210 you can just trade me! :hyper:

    I'll even throw in some smoked salmon to sweeten the deal! :D
     
  13. BuffaloBob4343

    BuffaloBob4343 Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    Nice try !!

    I said ADD not REPLACE LOL! :D

    I do however, have an ex-wife I would be happy to trade for that 1210!! :bag:
     
  14. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    Does she have her own car that she could sneak away with that cabinet! :hyper:
     
  15. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    I think that he should build an Accugroove.
     
  16. Emprov

    Emprov

    Mar 19, 2003
    That'd be nuts. Cab within a cab thing, high or low pass filters on virtually every speaker and soft dome tweets? You'd literally have to rip one apart to make a clone. The Schroeder would be pretty easy though. I opened mine up and it looks like he's using a Delta 12LF (have to take another look) and a Delta 10 (based on the specs on his website) haven't looked at the horn but the crossover only has 3 or 4 components, it's pretty basic. He does have wood all over the place in there though, very well braced. I'm just wondering how he gets such amazing low end extension out of such a small cab!
     
  17. BuffaloBob4343

    BuffaloBob4343 Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2005
    Buffalo, NY
    She has her own car but I assure you she ain't getting anywhere near my Schro!! :spit:
     
  18. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    You answered your own question in your post:
    You mean like they've been doing in the hi-fi industry since 1927? There's nothing amazing about what either AG or Schroeder do with their speakers. The only amazing thing is how primitive most of the other stuff out there is.
    Even if patented it doesn't matter so long as he doesn't try to sell it or profit from it in any way. But the threat of a $250,000 fine does put a damper on the resale value should he ever decide to move it.