Especially in more modern repertoire? So, went to the Proms last night, to see the Berliner Philharmoniker, conducted by Simon Rattle and especially the second half, which was given over to a peformance of Messiaen's "Eclairs sur l'Au-dela". So, I enjoyed the concert enormously, but I was sitting opposite the DB section, who spent most of their time, standing, holding their basses and only got to play towards the end, in one movement - out of eleven!! And when they did, their audible contribution was four, slow plucked notes, repeated a few times! Honestly, this is the only time, I've been to see a professional orchestra and thought I could have played the DB part!! So, most of the time I was enjoying the music, but I couldn't help occasionally turning my attention to what those guys were thinking about the situation? So - do you think they're so professional, they are just happy for a great overall performance from the orchestra ... and to get paid? Or are they thinking - what a waste of their talents, to be standing here on a hot, humid night, waiting around just for a few notes they could have played with both hands tied behind their backs!! Or what.....?