Do you know the C scale? A simple enough question but a mis-leading one it seems. A lot of players can play the C scale but it seems a lot of players don't know it. I gave an impromt clinc on it to some bass player students while in a music workshop. It seems if you ask players who know the C scale to identify notes and intervals within it... they can't. They can play it and play it fast with great techniques,they can improvise over it and other scales and keys....... but the don't know it. Has scale study nowadays become just about going up and down the neck to give the fingers something to do and see how fast you can become? I was taught to play scales slowly and HEAR the notes, HEAR the intervals, HEAR the triads, HEAR the arpeggios. I can now see why some people on TB put the point that scales are a waste of time. If played like that then yes, they're just finger exercises and have as much value as any good finger exercise. I believe in them, because when taught properly,they will train the ear as well as the hand. So if someone says they know the C scale, and can't identify intervals within it, i would assume that is the case for all the scales they "know". Are they in some way being cheated of information or is this now the norm?