# Do you understand 'GS' ranks?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Bard2dbone, Nov 19, 2005.

1. ### Bard2dbone

Aug 4, 2002
Arlington TX
So one of the guys I work with is on a DMAT team and gets sent away to any major disaster than seems to come along. He spent several weeks at the airport in New Orleans just recently, treating and processing people from the Superdome(mostly)

He occasionally tries to talk me into signing up, as well. He mentioned some stuff about it yesterday. One of the things he mentioned was that on his last mobilization he was given the impression that he has more rank than he thought he did, becasue of how some of the military types responded after finding out the GS ranks of the people on the DMAT team.

He is a GS-12. His boss is a GS-14. The newest nurse on their team is a GS-10. (I just mentioned the last one because I find it amusing whenever an RN ranks lower than a paramedic.) Could anyone translate these for me? I know that frequently GS ranks have military equivalents, but how do the equivalency formulas work?

2. ### PacmanLayin' Down TimeStaff MemberGold Supporting Member

Apr 1, 2000
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GS 13-14 = LT COl (O5)
GS 12 = Major (O4)
GS 10-11 = Captian (O3)

3. ### Bard2dbone

Aug 4, 2002
Arlington TX
Thanks. That helps make some sense.

4. ### sycipriderBanned

May 27, 2005
Inland Empire
My boss is a GS 10. Once in awhile I have to remind him that he is the equivalent of and not equal to an O-3.

5. ### MunjibungaTotal Hyper-Elite MemberGold Supporting Member

May 6, 2000
San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
What's the difference between equivalency and equality?

6. ### Bard2dbone

Aug 4, 2002
Arlington TX
Responsibility vs authority?

7. ### The Golden Boy

If you look at it money-wise-

2005 military pay chart:
http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourcesContent/0,13964,78426,00.html

2005 locality adjusted GS pay charts:
http://www.opm.gov/oca/05tables/indexGS.asp

2005 locality Wage Grade pay charts:
http://www.cpms.osd.mil/wage/wage.html

As long as I've been in the system, it doesn't work like rank. In other words, there's not a chain of command or a GS-11 "outranks" a GS-9. Same between Wage Grade and GS- it's not like E and O grade, it's just different.

8. ### Guiseppe

Oct 26, 2003
Vancouver, WA
I've been in the military 24 years (Marines, National Guard) and work full time in the Fed Govt. I'm a MSG (E8) on one side, GS12 on the technician side. Two seperate animals, the bottom line for the federal side is you have to be qualified for the job - there's not really any equivalance between the two. That being said, a lot of O5-O6's hold the higher technician positions due to seniority and the good old boy club.

9. ### PacmanLayin' Down TimeStaff MemberGold Supporting Member

Apr 1, 2000
Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
Take a look at this:

10. ### The Golden Boy

While, I guess, that must be correct for any Federal/Military interaction... It doesn't really work like rank in "the real world" or "Fort Living Room." In other words, in the military, you do your job well, put in your time, you get promoted, and your job changes with the promotion. In the GS sytem your pay grade stays the same, your steps are accorded by time in service. If you want to get "promoted" you have to change jobs. If your job is a GS 7 target 9, the pay grade tops off at the top end of the steps of GS-9. Generally, the promotion is to a GS-7, and advanced directly to GS-9 rather than proceeding from 7 to 8 to 9.

Apr 1, 2000