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Do you understand 'GS' ranks?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Bard2dbone, Nov 19, 2005.


  1. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    So one of the guys I work with is on a DMAT team and gets sent away to any major disaster than seems to come along. He spent several weeks at the airport in New Orleans just recently, treating and processing people from the Superdome(mostly)

    He occasionally tries to talk me into signing up, as well. He mentioned some stuff about it yesterday. One of the things he mentioned was that on his last mobilization he was given the impression that he has more rank than he thought he did, becasue of how some of the military types responded after finding out the GS ranks of the people on the DMAT team.

    He is a GS-12. His boss is a GS-14. The newest nurse on their team is a GS-10. (I just mentioned the last one because I find it amusing whenever an RN ranks lower than a paramedic.) Could anyone translate these for me? I know that frequently GS ranks have military equivalents, but how do the equivalency formulas work?
     
  2. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    GS 13-14 = LT COl (O5)
    GS 12 = Major (O4)
    GS 10-11 = Captian (O3)
     
  3. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    Thanks. That helps make some sense. :D
     
  4. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    My boss is a GS 10. Once in awhile I have to remind him that he is the equivalent of and not equal to an O-3. :spit:
     
  5. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    What's the difference between equivalency and equality?
     
  6. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    Responsibility vs authority?
     
  7. If you look at it money-wise-

    2005 military pay chart:
    http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourcesContent/0,13964,78426,00.html

    2005 locality adjusted GS pay charts:
    http://www.opm.gov/oca/05tables/indexGS.asp

    2005 locality Wage Grade pay charts:
    http://www.cpms.osd.mil/wage/wage.html

    As long as I've been in the system, it doesn't work like rank. In other words, there's not a chain of command or a GS-11 "outranks" a GS-9. Same between Wage Grade and GS- it's not like E and O grade, it's just different.
     
  8. Guiseppe

    Guiseppe

    Oct 26, 2003
    Vancouver, WA
    I've been in the military 24 years (Marines, National Guard) and work full time in the Fed Govt. I'm a MSG (E8) on one side, GS12 on the technician side. Two seperate animals, the bottom line for the federal side is you have to be qualified for the job - there's not really any equivalance between the two. That being said, a lot of O5-O6's hold the higher technician positions due to seniority and the good old boy club.
     
  9. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Take a look at this:

    http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/ind.nsf/civmilrankequiv




     
  10. While, I guess, that must be correct for any Federal/Military interaction... It doesn't really work like rank in "the real world" or "Fort Living Room." In other words, in the military, you do your job well, put in your time, you get promoted, and your job changes with the promotion. In the GS sytem your pay grade stays the same, your steps are accorded by time in service. If you want to get "promoted" you have to change jobs. If your job is a GS 7 target 9, the pay grade tops off at the top end of the steps of GS-9. Generally, the promotion is to a GS-7, and advanced directly to GS-9 rather than proceeding from 7 to 8 to 9.
     
  11. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    My dad was, after 20 years in the Army, a 20 GS worker. His pay grade increased from GS11 to GS15 over those years, while his job remained the same.

    Maybe it's a case-by-case thing?
     
  12. It could be for different areas of the government. If you check out the Office of Personnel Management website, the jobs are listed by GS grade. In our region the PC Support Specialist is a GS-7 target 9. A GS 6 can apply for the job, get promoted to the lowest GS-7 step above the pay you were making at GS-6. If your ratings are successful, you'll go to the GS-9, and your pay goes up by step increases. UNLESS your job is reclassified. Three times in the past 13 years my jobs have been upgraded. It didn't really change my job significantly, however it was still technically not the same job. In that case, you're not really recieving a "promotion" per se, it's more like the job is technically changing and the pay is reflecting that.