Does Fulfillment allways equal = Happiness?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by MAJOR METAL, Oct 17, 2005.


    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Does Fulfillment allways equal Happiness , what say you?. I do think that you can find fulfillment in your work or friendships etc without finding or achieving true happiness.
  2. SnoMan

    SnoMan Words Words Words Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2001
    Charleston, WV
    To this answer you have to first question what is happiness.

    Most would concide that happiness is generally a fleeting experience and not a constant.

    How would you define true happiness?

    Fulfillment, in my opinion, does lead to happiness. But...happiness is generally a fleeting emotion.

    oh dear god I'm hour and a half of sleep apparently isn't enough

    Back to wha tI was talking about, since happiness is fleeting. Imagine it as a body of about a bathtub, after the stopper is pulled.

    There is still water in the tub, but it's going quickly. The only way to replinish the water is with new desires that are to be fullfilled.

    I can't really tell if this makes sense right now, so if it doesn't....sorry
  3. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY

    Dude, I just have to tell ya, I love yer Off Topic threads...

    The other night I was thinking to myself that I hadn't seen any for a while.

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Interesting. Many would argue that a true sense of fullfillment would be achived by happiness as well and this would help form the personel fulfillment.
  5. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    I figure if I'm personally fulfilled, I'm probably happy in a long-term sense. However, if I'm happy, I'm not necessarily fulfilled.
  6. SnoMan

    SnoMan Words Words Words Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2001
    Charleston, WV

    I'm currently debating with myself over whether or not happiness and fulfillment are one and the same.


    One area of the subject that I may believe is this.

    When I think of fulfillment, I believe I would consider it more or less an enlightened state.

    True fulfillment would find oneself trancending emotion. Fore these emotions represent nothing more than the trials of life.

    Finding true fulfillment, I suppose, would put one outside of these trials or give them a separate vantage point from which to gaze into these trials.

    From this vantage point, one could see the flaws of happiness, despair, anger, apathy.....etc... Only then can one see whole truths. Truths unclouded by the haze of emotion.

    Truth is beauty, beauty is truth. The masterpiece revels in it's simplicity.

    Hey man...Do the IMO dance -------> :hyper:
  7. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Isn't it great that we can worry about things like being fulfilled and happy? Most animals (and even some people) have to worry about things like being eaten. But thanks to the marvels of modern society, we have so much time to get inside our own heads that we can completely disappear up our own butts.

    Pffft to fulfillment and happiness. If I get out of this world without ruining the lives of people around me, that's all that's important. People who worry about making themselves happy and fulfilled almost never are, but they usually are pretty intolerable to be around.
  8. Ray-man

    Ray-man Guest

    Sep 10, 2005
    Thank your lucky stars that we can conceive of such things. This is what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom - the knowledge that we will die someday. It's what drives us to do things like consider whether or not we're happy or fulfilled.

    In answer to the original question, does fulfillment always equal happiness, I'd have to say no. Happiness is a result of fulfillment, but I don't believe 100% fulfillment and happiness are possible in this world. Some get close, but the underlying notion that it can't go on forever, topped by the frosting of not knowing what lies beyond, always makes us pull up short.

    There is a certain resignation (for lack of a better word) which really fulfilled people have that comes from the true realization that we may never know until we're gone, and that leads to contentment. I think that's where I am - content to know that, after years of searching, I'm never going to know. So I live in the here and now, content with what I have and looking forward to the day when I'll either find out what it's all about or disappear into nothingness, in which case it won't matter anyhow.
  9. SuperDuck


    Sep 26, 2000
    If you want to spin that around just bit, some people believe in finding fulfillment and happiness for themselves by taking your concept of "not ruining the lives of people around me" a step further to "improving and enriching the lives of the people around me."

    Happiness is something that you can usually gain for yourself by giving it to someone else first.

    IMO, IME, etc. ;)
  10. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Obviously, you can't gain total happiness with partial fullfillment. Only partial happiness.
    But then, total happiness is an utopic concept and therefore not achieveable.

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jimmy even those in Poverty question the essential meaning and fulfillment of life.
  12. Ray-man

    Ray-man Guest

    Sep 10, 2005
    Well, that and opposable thumbs, but that's for a different thread.
  13. kserg


    Feb 20, 2004
    London, UK
    "unexamed life is not worth living"

    Everything that chalanges us should make us happy there for fulfillment and failure a like should equal to happiness. We just have to lean to see it that way.
  14. SnoMan

    SnoMan Words Words Words Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2001
    Charleston, WV

    Something went wrong with your post ksg.

    Fixed it for ya.
  15. kserg


    Feb 20, 2004
    London, UK

    MMMMMMMM beer... I am sorry... I failed you all... thank you for correction :)

    funny i dont remeber writing what i said in this thread but i do somewhat remeber arguing someone against that very same point in class this morning (after the post was made)...
  16. SnoMan

    SnoMan Words Words Words Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2001
    Charleston, WV
    Thats what I'm here for Kserg...

    Thats what I'm here for.
  17. But if you look at it that way, then you will definately never achieve it.

    But I guess the whole thing hinges on whether your definition of fufilled is 'correct', i.e if you think winning the lottery will make you fufilled, and therefore happy, but it doesn't it's not because fufillment doesn't equal happiness, but because your idea of fufillment doesn't equal true fufillment. What is true fufillment? I reckon it's lovin' others before yourselfm
  18. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
  19. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    I had a huge combination laksa with wantons for lunch and i'm fullfilled to the point of exploding.
  20. adisu

    adisu I admit it, I'm a "user"

    Apr 8, 2005
    They have other standard of what is happiness and what is fulfilment than us , for them to get money and food enough to feed themselves and their families is quite a happy thing to happen.

    If it was constant then it wouldn't be happiness, just a regular rutine of life.
    Life is like a sine wave ups and down (the depth is depends on the persona) Even the happiest man alive must have ups and downs to know he is happy.

    I think.... :ninja: