Does this fingering make sense?

Discussion in 'Orchestral Technique [DB]' started by Garagiste, Jul 14, 2020.


  1. Garagiste

    Garagiste

    Feb 16, 2013
    Brooklyn, NY
    Finding many of the slurs in this book are tough to execute. 274BA6FB-7524-480F-A0F1-DA4D50EA056C.jpeg
     
  2. salcott

    salcott Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    NYC, Inwood.
    It's a good fingering.
     
  3. Silevesq

    Silevesq

    Oct 2, 2010
    Quebec
    It works! I'd prefer 4-2 on F-E but at this point I guess it's personal. Try everything you can think of and see what you prefer!
     
  4. My guess is most players, myself included, would be more comfortable using 4-2 on the F-E. I would probably play the G as a harmonic to make the transition to the F cleaner.
     
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  5. neilG

    neilG

    Jun 15, 2003
    Ventura, CA
    It doesn't make sense to me. I'd play all four notes under the slur in one position, 2-4-2-1.
     
  6. BarfanyShart

    BarfanyShart

    Sep 19, 2019
    DC Metro
    I would prefer 1-3-2-1-4-1, or 1-3-4-2-4-1. Shifting on the same finger in the middle of a bow is awkward to me, I would avoid if I could.
     
  7. bengreen

    bengreen

    Jan 26, 2016
    San Diego
    I'm feeling more comfy with 132141 too. The 1321 or even 1421 (to open up your hand more on the descent) can be part shift, part extension or pivot.

    3 down to 4 tangles up my fingers.
     
  8. Dogfightgiggle

    Dogfightgiggle

    Mar 4, 2020
    I like it except I’d do 4-2 for F-E like Silevesq mentions above, but I know a lot of people incorporate 3 in this range.

    In keeping with the slur suggestions I mentioned in your other thread, I would break the slur after beat 1 of this measure.

    In the next measure I would also break the slur after beat 1. Then I would slur from beat 2 through to the F of beat 2 in the next bar. Separate bows to conclude the phrase.
     
  9. Les Fret

    Les Fret

    Sep 9, 2009
    What is even more interesting is that major third slur from c to e in the second bar after your example. To get these big jump slurs on one string clean without hearing any slide sounds can be challenging.
     
  10. neilG

    neilG

    Jun 15, 2003
    Ventura, CA
    Why does it have to be on one string?
     
  11. Garagiste

    Garagiste

    Feb 16, 2013
    Brooklyn, NY
    1-3-4-2-4-1 feels best to me. Thanks!
     
  12. Garagiste

    Garagiste

    Feb 16, 2013
    Brooklyn, NY
    Really? 2 on F natural and then 4 on G? That seems odd to me. I usually reserve 2-4 for notes that are a semi-tone apart. But perhaps your way works too.
     
  13. Les Fret

    Les Fret

    Sep 9, 2009
    Doesn’t have to be but it sounds nice on one string (if you play it well).
    Also you probably play the a and b before the c on the g string so it would make more sense to play c and e on one string.
     
  14. I like the 132141 approach for the outlined bar because of the smaller shift to set up the E that moves from finger to finger. Even simple phrases like this can be like mazes with dead-end fingerings. But, hey, this is a valuable part of the learning process. There will always be the one awkward shift to do your best to hide when slurring.

    It is perfectly logical to come down the G string for the second bar because the repeated notes are in the same position and do not interfere with the smoothness of the phrase. The awkwardness is how to then set up and finger the first two notes of the third bar, C to E. Each way that you look at it is not comfortable. If you finger the second bar on the D string there is an awkward move on first finger from G to A then a 4 - 4 shift to set up C to G across the strings. For me the least uncomfortable is to finish the second bar 1 - 2 to set up C on 4 then disguise the slurred shift up to E on 2.

    You can accuse me of gloating when I say that my using 1 2 3 4 fingering can make life easier.
     
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  15. neilG

    neilG

    Jun 15, 2003
    Ventura, CA
    A lot of people use four finger technique in that position these days (see David's last comment ^^). I didn't learn that way, but think of it as a fourth finger extension. It's not anything new.
     
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