does your amp clip a lot? mine does!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by spectorbass83, Dec 2, 2005.

  1. spectorbass83


    Jun 6, 2005
    This Peavey Max 700 I have clips quite a bit. Is this a common trend among Peavey bass heads? It seems to me that many threads regarding clipping involve Peavey. I don't want to damage my speakers. Would getting a head with more headroom be the only solution?

    My gain is usually set at 12 o clock, and my master is set at 12 o clock. I also have my on board pre amp volume at about half.

    Would something like this fix my problem?? I would imagine that it wouldnt, since I already have an on board pre amp...but I just want to clarify.
  2. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    Simple. Turn down your input gain.
  3. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    A outboard pre will make it worse. For maximum headroom set the master high, the pre gain low.
  4. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2002
    I see in your sig you play a Spector Euro 5. The fault lays with your bass, not your amp. Spector preamps are NOTORIOUSLY hot.
    You also have to remember that the tone controls are BOOST ONLY. They are flat when turned all the way off. Boost your bass either zero, or very little. You could also use some sort of pad between your bass and your amp to cut down the gain a bit.
  5. +1

    That amp has an "active/passive" switch next to the input. Play with that and the Gain knob beside it. Adjust those to get a clean signal, and then adjust the overall volume with the master.
  6. spectorbass83


    Jun 6, 2005
    Thanks for the replies.
    I will try turning down the input gain and turning up the master volume.

    I did not know that the pre amps on the Spectors tend to run really hot. Perhaps swapping the on board pre amp for another one will be a good idea?
  7. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2002

    I wouldn't. Don't worry about swapping preamps, just don't boost your lows unnecessarily (A VERY common mistake amongst bass players). What sounds good at home, or while playing alone, doesn't necessarily sound good in a band mix.
  8. chaosMK


    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Too much hip thrust
    An ART Tube MP (with meter) might help you control the levels.
  9. spectorbass83


    Jun 6, 2005
    I will have to back off those lows a bit more..I can't wait to go home and try some new settings. I will have to wait till next week to test them out at band practice, then I will see if I still get the same problem.

    I have never heard of an "ART Tube MP" but I will definitely look into it in a minute.

    Thanks everyone.

    Edit - I just called my local music store and asked them about the ART Tube MP..they recommended the ART Tube MPST, and they can get it for $140 Canadian. I researched it on the net, and even though its primary function is a vocal preamp, it seems like something I could definitely use to improve my tone. I am gonna rent one and try it out.
  10. Bob Lee (QSC)

    Bob Lee (QSC) In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio!

    Jul 3, 2001
    Chester, Connecticut
    Former Technical Communications Developer, QSC Audio
    Unless your power amp is overmatched to your speaker, don't be afraid of a little clipping.

    Keep in mind that some amps have clip indicators that sort of stretch out longer than the actual clip event, and so with them, minuscule incidents of clipping may be made more visible than those of other amps.
  11. rok51

    rok51 Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2002
    Crawfordville, FL
    The Max 700 uses Peavey's DDT circuitry...your speakers will be okay, but it does sound kinda gnarly when you are lightin' the lamp all the time. If your bass is hot, switch to the active input on the amp. IMHO, adding an outboard preamp is confusing the issue and, perhaps, a waste of money. The tone shaping ability of your Peavey is pretty just need to pad the input (via the active/passive switch). Give that a go first.

  12. ArwinH

    ArwinH run rabbit run

    Dec 1, 2005
    Southern California
    +1 million. Those spector preamps are super hot, when playing a few spectors at gc I could clip every amp I played through with the onboard controls.
    I wouldnt worry about buying new stuff personally, just mesin around with what you have.
  13. Stick it on the active input, turn the master volume all the way up, then use the pre gain or the gain control on the other preamp to control volume, works for me :)
  14. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    You want to have your input gain as high (hot) as possible without clipping or clipping only RARELY. Once you have established the correct input level you then control your overall volume with your master. There's a reason they call it the Master.
  15. Well, it works for me, and no clipping lights have come on yet
  16. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    Clipping is not the only issue to be considered. You also want to achieve the maximum signal to noise ratio.

    By setting the master at max and adjusting your volume at the input gain you are getting the most noise out of the amp. I'm sure yours doesn't generate any noise but those are the facts.
  17. To be honest i think everyone should try it either way, the way i do it is easier and there is no noticable difference
  18. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    You apparently know something the electronics industry doesn't.
  19. whats wrong with people trying the other way? or can you not comprehend that?
  20. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    While you're at it hook your bass up to your amp using speaker wire - what's the difference.