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Dollars to Weight- a look at light single speaker cabs

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by 7thbass, Apr 8, 2009.


  1. 7thbass

    7thbass

    Nov 21, 2003
    Houston, Tx
    This is neither scientific nor, perhaps, even helpful. I have been thinking about adding a light 1x12 or 1x10 to my Bag End S-15. Don't need much more than stage monitoring at church, so started looking at those below.

    Does dollar/pound ratio tell me anything about how it sounds or whether it is a "value"? Probably not.
    Weight of Cabs:
    Name Weight
    Epifani UL 10 22
    Mojosonic (1x10) 23
    Markbass NY 12 29
    Epifani UL 12 30
    Acme Low B1 31
    Bergantino AE 12 31
    Dr Bass 12 34
    Markbass 121h 34.6
    Epifani PS 112 36
    GB Neox 12 37
    Avatar SB112 39
    Berg AER 112 40
    DR Bass 1260 42
    Berg HT 112 43

    Dollar Per Pound:
    Name $ / lb
    Avatar SB112 $6.92
    Epifani PS 112 $11.11
    DR Bass 1260 $11.19
    Dr Bass 12 $12.91
    Acme Low B1 $13.55
    Berg AER 112 $13.75
    Mojosonic (1x10) $14.30
    Markbass 121h $15.32
    Berg HT 112 $16.28
    GB Neox 12 $17.03
    Markbass NY 12 $18.97
    Epifani UL 12 $19.97
    Epifani UL 10 $20.41
    Bergantino AE 12 $20.97


    here is data with price, weight, etc.
    Name Weight Cost $ / lb
    Avatar SB112 39 $270.00 $6.92
    Epifani PS 112 36 $400.00 $11.11
    DR Bass 1260 42 $470.00 $11.19
    Dr Bass 12 34 $439.00 $12.91
    Acme Low B1 31 $420.00 $13.55
    Berg AER 112 40 $550.00 $13.75
    Mojosonic (1x10) 23 $329.00 $14.30
    Markbass 121h 34.6 $530.00 $15.32
    Berg HT 112 43 $700.00 $16.28
    GB Neox 12 37 $630.00 $17.03
    Markbass NY 12 29 $550.00 $18.97
    Epifani UL 12 30 $599.00 $19.97
    Epifani UL 10 22 $449.00 $20.41
    Bergantino AE 12 31 $650.00 $20.97


    Here it is sorted by weight

    Name Weight Cost $ / lb
    Epifani UL 10 22 $449.00 $20.41
    Mojosonic (1x10) 23 $329.00 $14.30
    Markbass NY 12 29 $550.00 $18.97
    Epifani UL 12 30 $599.00 $19.97
    Acme Low B1 31 $420.00 $13.55
    Bergantino AE 12 31 $650.00 $20.97
    Dr Bass 12 34 $439.00 $12.91
    Markbass 121h 34.6 $530.00 $15.32
    Epifani PS 112 36 $400.00 $11.11
    GB Neox 12 37 $630.00 $17.03
    Avatar SB112 39 $270.00 $6.92
    Berg AER 112 40 $550.00 $13.75
    DR Bass 1260 42 $470.00 $11.19
    Berg HT 112 43 $700.00 $16.28
    Sorry tables are screwy.


    mojosonic may be good bargain, as Acme and the UL 110. Now to get out and play them . . . . .
     
  2. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
    Interesting comparison, but since none of these manufacturers publish actual measurements you won't be able to know. Just relying on name brand is ad hoc.

    In general, it takes more engineering to make a cabinet lighter.
    You can put together a large volume 1" thick ply cabinet with big old heavy ceramic speakers, and barely brace it, and it can sound great - but weigh a ton.
    Or you can engineer a lightweight strategically braced cabinet using new lightweight highly engineered neodymium speakers and it can sound great.

    One way to tell is look under the hood. Pull off a handle or the jack cup and look inside. Takes some pics using a small camera. I'll bet you'll see the heavier have less bracing and rely on the strength of thick plywood. It doesn't mean they'd sound any worse. Just easier to build, and heavy.
     
  3. greenboy

    greenboy

    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    Conversely, you can also use lighter species of wood for the plywood and as long as the drivers are not too demanding, get by with that. Species not used much formerly in cab building but maybe in marine and other applications are now being considered because of availability, cheaper shipping, and market demand for lighter products in this sector.

    If it's softer wood on the outer surfaces and gashes easier, so what? Final finish choices can alleviate that concern, or hide it.
     
  4. KJung

    KJung Supporting Member

    Interesting info, although I agree it has very little to do with volume and tone.

    I'm familiar with about 75% of those cabs, and here's maybe another way to look at it.

    - The only 110 that to my ear doesn't sound 'overly small and compressed'... the Acme B1. The good news is, that very small box will extend VERY low. It goes deep. The bad news is, it won't get very loud and likes a bit of power.

    - The loudest 112 (i.e., the 112 that has the best chance of handling a moderate volume gig all by itself... the Genz NeoX112. Not surprisingly, it's one of the biggest 112's. I've been posting recently that the best 112 sized box I've ever experienced is the new Schroeder 115L+... 30 pounds and about the size of the Epi112UL, and it just wumps with mid punch and volume.

    - The best match for you Bag End115..... none IMO. That cab has a unique, warm mid voicing and is relatively low SPL. You would be MUCH better off IMO getting a second Bag End 115 (the 'x' version with the tweeter stacked on the non-tweeter version is VERY nice sounding) OR, sell that Bag End and get two lightweight 112's.

    Finally, I think the Epi112UL and 110UL are the old weight specs. I believe each have added 4 or 5 pounds since they are no longer using that lightweight Italian Poplar. Not sure.
     
  5. spcmstrbtasp

    spcmstrbtasp

    Oct 19, 2006
    Athens, GA
    FWIW, I have tried to pair a Yamaha BBT110S (modded with an 8ohm driver) with a BE S15, and found that I didn't like the combination too much. The two cabs didn't compliment eachother the way I thought they would. I know the Yam is not on your list, but it may be similar in characteristics to some of the small cabs you have listed.

    Now, it didn't sound horrible, but it wasn't as good as a matching pair of either one.

    And in my opinion a matched set of Yamaha 110s is not as cutting on stage as a single BE s15D. The S15s are very efficient, and I've found they can get quite loud- single or in pairs.

    I admit, I am really curious about the Mojosonics though...
     
  6. hasbeen

    hasbeen Commercial User

    Sep 23, 2004
    Vice President, KMC Music. Warwick U.S. distribution, Ampeg distribution
    The analysis isn't going to help.

    My favorite cabs in this realm are Aggies, Bergs, Epi's and ......oh....I forget.........oh yeah, GB.

    I like them all because of how different they are from eachother. So, I feel you really need to try them all.

    I realize the Aggie will be heavier as it isn't neo. Still though, it is one of my favorite 1x12's out there.
     
  7. Marley's Ghost

    Marley's Ghost Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    How could you leave Schroeder out of this?
     
  8. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Dollars to Weight rewards heavy and cheap so, not sure I get this.
     
  9. RColie

    RColie Supporting Member

    Nov 21, 2007
    St. Louis, MO
    Just for the record, Epifani has lowered the price of their UL series - the UL 112 is now $499. and the UL 110 is now $399.
     

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