Done buying Fenders (Squier vs MIM vs MIA)

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by mbell75, May 3, 2019.


  1. mbell75

    mbell75

    May 23, 2016
    I have returned 3 MIM Fender basses within the last month. A Players P, a Players J and a Deluxe PJ. All of them had issues with sharp or at the least, uncomfortable fret edges neck issues and a few other minor things. Finally gave up and bought the new Squier Classic Vibe 60s Jazz for $349 and took it to compare directly against the MIM Players Series and MIA American Pro Jazz basses at GC.

    The Squier had zero fret issues, all done very well just like the last few Ive played. The neck had a slight issue that a few turns of the truss rod fixed. Great action and pickup height. The Am Pro had awful fret edges, like sharp. Showed it to a friend who works there and he just said "yikes". Neck needed work, action was way too high, pickup height needed adjusting, knobs were kinda loose. Overall, just sloppy and not something I would expect in a $1500 instrument. This is the kind of stuff I expected out of the $349 Squier, not a MIA Fender 4 times the price. I was very disappointed with the V Mod pickups. I had thought about putting them in my Squier, not after playing them. Lower output and not a real big difference in tone at all, I actually prefer the louder and punchier Fender designed Alnicos in the Squier.

    The Player had no issues with sharp frets but the angle of the cut on the fingerboard was pronounced. So it would cut into my palm while holding it, the one that I had owned did not have this issue. Neck issues on this one too but better sounding Alnico V pickups in this one, very similar sound to the CV Squier.

    So regardless of price point with these 3 basses, I would have chosen the Squier. Nicer neck IMO, nicer fell, put together much better and I like the new Fender designed pickups a lot. I am planning a new P bass next but after this experience, I am going to go with the Squier CV 60s P instead of the Players or one of the MIA models. Im done with Fender for now, they really need to step up their quality, especially in $1500+ basses.

    Basses.jpg
     
  2. Dean N

    Dean N

    Jul 4, 2006
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Did you ask your employee friend if GC could do a proper setup on the bass? I can hardly imagine the GC techs are so booked that they couldn't set up a $1500 bass to move it out the door.
     
    Count Bassie, TinyE, wmmj and 10 others like this.
  3. mbell75

    mbell75

    May 23, 2016
    I’m sure they could have but why would I pay $1500 for a bass when the one for $349 is a better bass IMO? A setup wouldn’t take care of the awful fret edges either. Unacceptable fit and finish in a $1500 MIA Fender. It would even be unacceptable for a $674 MIM Fender IMO. As I mentioned in my post, it’s not just this bass. I’ve returend 3 Fenders, mostly for issues with fit and finish and most the ones in GC have issues too. This seems to be a trend where Fender QC is going down while Squier has gone up.
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2019
    giacomobass, jeff7bass, wmmj and 2 others like this.
  4. I have 3 Squires
    a 50.00 Affinity "P" I added Duncans too--
    a 150.00 Jazz Bass (affinity) as well SIGNED by the MISFITS! -- bone stock
    and
    a CV 50's Precision (also w/ added Duncan)

    I have yet to play a Fender at any price point that would sway or change my current stable-----they look good work good and sound good-----for very very small coin------all in w/ upgrades fresh strings etc.--I have right at 1/2 the cost of that American "J"
     
  5. Dean N

    Dean N

    Jul 4, 2006
    Pittsburgh, PA
    I'm certainly no Fender fanboy, but your complaints sounded like they'd all be remedied by a proper setup, and dressing fret edges is a minimal task for any competent tech. I'd imagine GC would be happy to do both for a customer that wants a new bass.
     
  6. Honkey tonk

    Honkey tonk Turn it up Supporting Member

    Feb 10, 2019
    Lower 48
    If the am pro was 350.00 and the squire was 15 Hundo would you still pick the squire ?
     
  7. mbell75

    mbell75

    May 23, 2016
    No. If I had a blindfold and was just going by feel and sound, I would have guessed the Am Pro was the Squier.
     
  8. I can attest that the Squire neck on my ‘19 60’s Jazz feels great! It feels better than my ‘08 MIM P before I worked on the frets. Can’t say about the new American or MIMS but I would def choose the Squire in a heartbeat for lots less.
     
  9. Yahboy

    Yahboy

    May 21, 2008
    Why OP suddenly quit from Fender ??? I remember that OP are not licking with Squier stuff which post on other thread. ......New 2019 CV bass thread.

    Back to topic....

    I sold my second player P because has same sharp fret edge and sharp angle fretboard edge. Both player P with maple board.

    I pickup a Squier VM77 in blk several days ago, she has much better Fretwork which match my Squier CV60P and comfort/smooth maple fretboard edge.

    I really don't know why FMIC dint mention both issue with their Player bass when R&D period, and found less player bass owner mention here with that problem even has long experience on bass playing.
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2019
    4sight, Rallypoint_1 and mbell75 like this.
  10. dmt

    dmt

    Apr 19, 2003
    Orbiting Sol
    A lot of what you mentioned were setup issues, which, imo, is actually largely on the store.

    The sharp fret ends, yeah, I agree, not acceptable on a +$1,000 instrument. Nevertheless, filing down the fret ends is a quick job, and then that problem is over...forever. Then you have a bass with nice fret ends for the rest of your life (with the exception of exposing the bass to a much drier climate, but that’s any bass).

    But, you played some similar looking basses and found that some were comfortable and played easy while being easy on the wallet, and so you chose those over basses that were difficult and uncomfortable to play while simultaneously being a financial stretch to pay. Makes a lot of sense...
     
  11. Wisebass

    Wisebass

    Jan 12, 2017
    Lost in Space
    Hi folks :)

    MontyPythonHolyGrail_018Pyxurz.jpg

    The best squires are made in England! :D


    may the bass be with you

    Wise(b)ass
     
  12. I was looking at a classic vibe squire as a possible 4 string addition, either that or a Fender Player. My only worry about Squire is the electrics/pups...would you need to install new pups etc if you wanted to play the squire live or are they generally good as they come from the factory? The one I was looking at has the alnico pickups
     
  13. mdogs

    mdogs Supporting Member

    Apr 13, 2010
    Constant state of flux
    I really thought we had moved past this whole my Squire is better than every other bass in the world crap. Fret sprout can happen on ANY bass and can be corrected in a couple of minutes. It does not matter how much the bass costs, basses need to be setup, believe it or not, this is why they are adjustable.
     
  14. Bass Man Dan

    Bass Man Dan Endorsing Artist: Ned Flanders' Bass-a-Reeno Supporting Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Cincinnati
    Yeah, I get what you're saying but also I consider the retail source of these basses. The music stores near me don't seem to be interested in making basses playable. I played a Flea Jazz bass that had action so high the Walendas would have been nervous playing it. If that were my one and only experience with that bass, I would probably not think much of it.

    Sounds like you should thank GC, though. Seems like they saved you $1150!
     
    Count Bassie, dmt and mbell75 like this.
  15. bhendrix

    bhendrix

    May 2, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    SO true! Seems were in this disposable age - I don't like it cause.. whatever...so I'll return it. Some folks are never satisfied. You buy a bass cause you dig the look - love the weight, neck, etc. So there may be some imperfections (happens in our mass production world) - so take that bass you loved at first sight to your local luthier and get it set up to your specifications. Headache over - let's rock! :bassist:
     
    WesC, sleddogn, Count Bassie and 13 others like this.
  16. mdogs

    mdogs Supporting Member

    Apr 13, 2010
    Constant state of flux
    This is so damn true!
     
    Frodolicious and bhendrix like this.
  17. CallMeAl

    CallMeAl

    Dec 2, 2016
    Ithaca Ny
    I haven't met any of the rough Player basses OP mentions (which I have discussed with @mbell75 in other threads, just trying to add to this discussion) but I agree, I wouldn't pay $674 for a bass I had to file fret ends on. I filed fret ends on my <$200 Squiers, but for that kinda money I'd expect it to be pretty much mint. (My squiers were 2000 and 2005, so IMO more a symptom of age, not factory oversight.)

    I also agree MIA are overpriced. IME they are nice, but are they THAT nice? I'd rather put that money into an amp.
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2019
    ed morgan, BeyondFiredUp and mbell75 like this.
  18. p12bassnut

    p12bassnut

    Aug 27, 2009
    Texas
    Pardon me if my response is too simplistic but have you tried the Sadowsky MetroExpress ?
    • Excellent quality and tone at a superb price point. Beats out the $2000 range Fenders by a mile in my book.
     
    wmmj, Thisguy, jjk2007 and 1 other person like this.
  19. bassstrangler

    bassstrangler

    Mar 2, 2015
    AZ
    I'll respectfully disagree.
     
    Herrick, Eric66, FRoss6788 and 2 others like this.
  20. lfmn16

    lfmn16

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    This is TB, we will never get over my Squier can beat up your Sadowsky.

    And having to adjust a truss rod does NOT constitute a neck issue. :rollno:
     
    James Collins, geof_, PWRL and 17 others like this.
  21. Primary

    Primary TB Assistant

    Here are some related products that TB members are talking about. Clicking on a product will take you to TB’s partner, Primary, where you can find links to TB discussions about these products.

     
    Jan 25, 2022

Share This Page