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Submission Donny Hathaway - 'This Christmas'

Discussion in 'Tablature and Notation [BG]' started by TKenrick, Dec 9, 2017.


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  1. TKenrick

    TKenrick

    Jun 13, 2008
    London, UK
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  2. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Bass Player did a transcription on this (fairly recent).
    IIRC, they said it's Hathaway on a Fender Piano Bass...tracking live.
    I will dig it out.
     
  3. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Well, it's the Dec 2011 issue. Time flies.
    BP sez it's Hathaway playing the piano bass with his left hand, Fender Rhodes with his right.
    Phil Upchurch- guitar
    Morris Jennings- drums
    Ric Powell- percussion
    7 horn players & members of the Chicago Symphony are also mentioned.

    Is your version from the original album?
    Great job!
     
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  4. Whousedtoplay

    Whousedtoplay

    May 18, 2013
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    This Christmas (Donny Hathaway song) - Wikipedia



    Credits
    From Donny Hathaway blog:
    Donny Hathaway: This Christmas, music sheet


    I think the following transcription is from BP magazine.
    John Hancotte's Bass Desires: December 2011

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  5. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Yes...that's it.
     
  6. Whousedtoplay

    Whousedtoplay

    May 18, 2013
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    As a Weekend transcribing hobbyist, I hear some "strange" notes that are not included in the BP's -Chris Jisi's transcription.
    Let's take just the first measure.
    I hear some sliding on Beat 1 from F to Bb, not just two Bb's.
    I don't hear that F (the sixth note in the measure). I hear G (and a grace note of Ab before that G).
    Before Eb, I hear some pick up notes - C, D.
     
  7. Don Kasper

    Don Kasper Supporting Member

    Here's what I heard, when I wrote this leadsheet up...
    The Intro section is really tricky - there is a lot going on. Those Maj Triads over Bass notes ( F/Bb = "F triad over a Bb in the bass" for example), are very specific voicings of "X Major 7, Major 9" Chords/with the Major Third MISSING! So cool.
    (The Coda section is mine, designed as a live performance vamp...then the DS al Fine for an ending...FYI)
    The. Best. Christmas. Song. EVAH.
    IMFO.
    Thanks.
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  8. Whousedtoplay

    Whousedtoplay

    May 18, 2013
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    Wow!
    Thanks, Don. Lots of harmonic nuances to explore.
     
  9. TKenrick

    TKenrick

    Jun 13, 2008
    London, UK
    Thanks for the corrections! I'll amend the transcription/article accordingly. I assumed it was WW because the lines are so similar to the kind of stuff he plays on Donny's other recordings... Every day a school day!
     
  10. Whousedtoplay

    Whousedtoplay

    May 18, 2013
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    I am still trying to omit the 3rd - A - from the Fmaj7/Bb on Beat1.
    As a side question, I have noticed that you notate a major 7 chord as a triangle with 7. I thought the triangle sign already means maj7.
     
  11. Don Kasper

    Don Kasper Supporting Member

    During the Intro portion - for the first chord (F/Bb) : Just play an F maj triad - F,A,C in your RH and then play a low Bb in your LH - at a piano, preferably. This will generate a Bb Major chord/tonality, even though there is no "D" (the Major 3rd of Bb) anywhere in the chord. It's kind of an audio "mirage"!
    Later on in the tune, there are very normal Fmaj7 chords that DO contain the Maj 3rd in the voicing.
    Also - yes, I use "triangle 7" for designating a Major 7 chord. I realize there are many different ways that we all write chord symbols.
    Thanks.
     
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  12. Whousedtoplay

    Whousedtoplay

    May 18, 2013
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    Now I got it. I thought you were talking about the F chord without the 3rd.
     
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  13. LeeNunn

    LeeNunn Supporting Member

    Oct 9, 2012
    Charlottesville, VA
    I don’t know how I’ve managed to miss this all my life. Great tune, great transcription, and thanks for the analysis.
     
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