Don't expect family to give a rat's @$$...

Discussion in 'Bass Humor & Gig Stories [BG]' started by fretlessman71, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    (Posted in another thread, but upon reflection, decided that it warranted its own given the level of audacity displayed by my eldest sibling... )


    I have an older brother and sister (sister has a daughter) who are in town visiting. (My mom lives the next town over, and they're really visiting her.)

    I had a gig last Thursday night in the center of the downtown district here, known as "Old Town Square". Great classic rock band, lots of fun, terrific players, shops open, great family atmosphere, hundreds of people having a great time, you get the general drift.

    Earlier that day, I was at my mom's, visiting with the rest of my family, who really doesn't care at all about my music. Now, I know better than to mention my work to them at all, but for some reason my mom asked if I was playing in town anytime soon. So I mentioned that as luck would have it, I was playing that very evening in Old Town.

    My sister pipes up: "Old Town? Wow! I haven't been there in forever! I haven't even been in that city in longer than forever! I really miss that part of town!

    "WE SHOULD GO THERE THIS WEEKEND."



    So goes the story of wishing my family had any interest in what I love, and also what I do for a living. And with that, I leave you with the following (#2 and #8 are most pertinent here):

    HOW TO FEEL LESS MISERABLE AS AN ARTIST


    1. STOP COMPARING YOURSELF TO OTHER ARTISTS.
    2. DON'T TALK MUCH TO YOUR FAMILY ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, DON'T EXPECT THEM TO UNDERSTAND, AND DEFINITELY DON'T EXPECT THEM TO CHEER YOU ON.
    3. BASE THE SUCCESS OF YOUR CAREER ON YOUR ABILITY TO PAY YOUR BILLS WHILE NEVER FEELING LIKE YOU'RE DOING "WORK".
    4. DON'T STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW - GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
    5. DON'T UNDERVALUE YOUR EXPERTISE - BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF ABOUT WHAT YOU AND YOUR ART ARE WORTH.
    6. DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE IT FIRST, AND WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL GET PAID AFTERWARDS.
    7. DON'T LET SOCIETY DICTATE WHAT IS RIGHT/WRONG, AND THEREFORE WHAT YOU SHOULD/SHOULDN'T DO.
    8. NEVER ATTEMPT TO PLEASE YOUR OWN FAMILY WITH YOUR WORK.
    9. DON'T ACCEPT A COMMISSION FROM A CLIENT/CUSTOMER/GALLERY OWNER/PATRON/INVESTOR UNLESS YOU ARE COMPLETELY WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THEY ASK.
    10. SET MANY SMALL GOALS, AND AS YOU ACHIEVE THEM, SET MORE. AND DON'T SET DEADLINES FOR THOSE GOALS.
     
  2. fhm555

    fhm555 So FOS my eyes are brown

    Feb 16, 2011
    Not being an artist I can't speak to how it feels to have my hard work and sacrifice marginalized, but I can imagine it must suck big time.

    But then I come from a musical family so I know what it's like to be put on the spot when I'm playing in some two bit s%!thole dive and look up to see my mom and dad sitting there supporting my desire to be the best middle of the road imitator in town.

    Please don't get me wrong, I have major respect for anyone willing to put their music/art ahead of everything else, especially if they are more of a middle of the road type and not one of the 1/1000th of 1% with enough native talent for their art/music to come easy to them.

    Anyone willing to put in the killing amount of work and dedication required to make a living from music/art, even those 1/1000 of 1% are a special breed indeed.

    Unfortunately for every hard working professional musician and artist there are 10 who think dressing or acting odd makes them an artist, that hard work and dedication are for the rest of us fools who are just too slow to "get" their totally unique take on life.

    I once told a very dear friend of mine that just because no one understands you does not make you an artist. She had no real talent beyond getting stinking drunk and railing against society, and churning out amateurish works that looked like she raided the 5th grade art class at the local elementary school.
     
  3. sikamikanico

    sikamikanico

    Mar 17, 2004
    You can generalize this pretty much to anything in life...

     
  4. Kmonk

    Kmonk

    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan, Nordstrand Pickups, Korg , Conquest Sound
    I hate when people generalize and assume that every situation is the same. My experience has been the exact opposite of the OP. When I was in my first band, my mother actually drove 1 1/2 hours in a snow storm to see me play. In fact, she once heard of a band that was looking for a bass player and called to tell me about it. I auditioned, got the gig and ended up touring and working with many well known artists. My brothers have also come to see me play on many occasions.
     
  5. Jtaing562

    Jtaing562

    May 24, 2013
    I can totally relate even if I dont have a band or perform. My parents never question why I play bass or why I like it. Better yet, they never come near me and watch me play.
     
  6. Hi,

    Trying to get my family to come to a gig is like pulling teeth. Sure, they'll go with me when I play the amusement parks or Las Vegas, but they go to see the destination, not me. Such is life. You gotta love'em anyway. ;)


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
     
  7. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    Meh. Some people just don't like loud music. Get the chip off your shoulder.

    My dad worked at a paper mill his whole career. I never had any interest in going to the mill to have a look around. Not once did I ever meet him at the driveway and applaud or cheer for him. Not once did he ever piss and moan about my not coming to see him at work to pat him on the back or cheer for him. Does that mean he wasn't my hero for going up in that hot mess to give me a better life? Does that mean I didn't support his efforts? Nope.

    My brother is an IT guy at a major university not even an hour drive from here. I have never been on the campus. I couldn't find his office with a Garmin. When he starts to talk about computers I glaze over and get all Homer Simpson on him (Mmmmmmmm Doughnuts) It bores me to tears. Does he get all nasty about my not hanging on his every word about computer junk? Nope. He knows I would walk through fire for him and that's all that matters.

    I have probably played literally 4,000 shows so far in my career. I may have had family at 3 that I can think of. (And one of those was a wedding reception for my cousin's wedding, so they pretty much had to be there.)

    I just can't understand why it is that musicians think their business is any different from anyone else's. Have you EVER been to your BROTHER's place of business to cheer him on? Have you EVER been to your sister's place of business to support her? If you are really going to be honest with yourself (you don't have to even tell us) have you EVER even shown a great deal of INTEREST in what they do?

    Why the hell are you so special? Because you play music? Gimme a break.

    Put your ENORMOUS ego and your wadded panties away and be a grownup. Just love your family and quit keeping score. If one of them were to get killed in a car crash tonight your last thoughts of them would be how much they suck for not supporting you. Grow up and get over it.
     
  8. SirMjac28

    SirMjac28 Patiently Waiting For The Next British Invasion

    Aug 25, 2010
    The Great Midwest
    Did you ask them to the gig? I would have stopped my sister and said "How about tonight I'm playing stop by for a minute and after my set I'll join you guys" to be fair how active are you in things they do? I only say this because I use to feel the same way until my siblings called me out and I realized I didn't take equal interest in things they liked doing and it was all about me and my music.
     
  9. Doner Designs

    Doner Designs Steve Doner Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    Metro Chicago Area
    Doner Designs is an alias for Steve Doner
    While the tone of this strikes me as a little harsh, I can certainly relate to the sentiment. Even though I am a musician (using the term loosely), I'd rather do almost anything with my kids than attend one of their concerts. I want them to play tennis or play guitar or do whatever because it brings joy to them. I'd rather be fly on the wall in their algebra classes than go to a concert.
     
  10. Mvilmany

    Mvilmany

    Mar 13, 2013
    Upstate NY
    Family can really suck when it comes to music. Some families are very supportive; some not so much.

    My mother and stepfather discouraged me as much as possible when it came to music. For example, at one point, I was forbidden to bring an electric guitar into the house. Yeah.

    Then, when I was 15, I got a summer job washing dishes for minimum wage and saved up to buy a guitar. My mom said, "you're not spending your money on a guitar!"

    Finally, I got fed up and went out and got a guitar and walked into the house and into my room with it.

    My parents refused to pay for an education in music when it was time to go to college. So, I didn't go to college until years later, and I paid for it myself.

    Soon after high school, I moved out on my own, and moved to the other side of the country.

    After I moved out, I began to have a good relationship with my parents, but I still harbor resentment as far as how they not only refused to support my enthusiasm for music, but also threw obstacles in my way as well.
     
  11. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    Sure you're an artist. You're a musician; art is not limited to the cool things creative people make so we can see them. And my mom has also been to her fair share of gigs, even though she doesn't get it at all (I do NOT come from a musical family such as yours).

    And reading your post, I can't help but think of Mike Doonesbury's ex-wife... :D
     
  12. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    Yeah, I suppose you can. But it's easier to digest when my friend puts it into artist-digestable chunks for me. :)
     
  13. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    Please don't misunderstand; I didn't assume that everyone had the same experience as I did... rather, I posted mine because I felt it was frustrating in general and audacious in spades on my sister's part. I'd be thrilled to believe that my experience is not the norm, but rather one of the exceptional cases, and that most people have family who support them.
     
  14. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    Indeed. Warts and all, they're family, and you DO "gotta love 'em".
     
  15. thenazz

    thenazz

    May 9, 2011
    Pensacola, FL
    Funny family story. My first band was a punk/new wave band back in 1980. My brother was the drummer and i played bass. My parents came to hear us at our towns only punk bar, a real poopiehole but a lotta fun to play back then. I mentioned to our lead singer that my parents where in the bar so he said "This next song goes out to Sid!", my fathers name being Sid. Everyone in the bar erupts in a big cheer thinking he's talking about Sid Vicious. Pop thought they were all cheering for him, made his night.
     
  16. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    Nope. Not that. My sister had just gotten done showing me video clips from the Robert Plant show she had just attended less than a week before.

    My dad worked at HP in the 70's. LOVED getting the chance to go to his work and see what he did all day. Loved trying to figure out what he was talking about when he talked work with our neighbors (some of whom were colleagues). Maybe that's just me.

    It's terrific that you and your brother can have so little in common and yet maintain that brotherly bond. I wish the same were true of my sister and I, and it's not for lack of trying.

    If you mean supporting his business and patronizing it when possible, then yes I have. When he lived in town, anyway.

    My sister is a stay-at-home mom, so that's hard to answer... but I have given over 6 months of bass lessons to my niece free of charge. And this is the first time I've mentioned to anyone that I didn't ask for money to do it; she's family, and that's good enough.

    I have tried my best. I'm not a "car guy" like so many guys, but my brother really is; I will engage his mind every chance I get when the conversation turns to his favorite cars or how best to maintain certain vehicles and such. I have made an effort to be interested in a topic that is kinda boring for me Because He's My Brother.

    I'm glad you asked. BECAUSE I'M FREAKIN' FAMILY, THAT'S WHY.


    Hey hey hey... one break, comin' up....

    Enormous? Hardly. Fragile? Yeah...

    It's not so much that they don't want to come to gigs. I can live with that. It's more that my sister went out of her way to make sure I understood that she wanted no part of my musical life when I've done what I could to help her daughter through hers. Either she's really so dense she doesn't see how her comment could be taken in this context, or she's just bold as brass and couldn't give two hoots about how it makes me feel. Either way it sucks.
     
  17. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    GREAT family story if you ask me. :D
     
  18. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    After several years of inviting and asking and hinting and offering to pick up the tab if they came down and anything short of begging, I have learned to stop telling my relatives that I have gigs when they're in town. I wasn't even going to bring it up, but for some strange reason my mom asked me...
     
  19. LOL, that is a completely ridiculous comparison! Programming computers or doing IT work is not a spectator activity. Performing music is. Who would *ever* go watch someone crank code? I wouldn't want anyone to sit around and watch me work at my day job. I absolutely depend on people coming to see my bands play, or we don't get hired again. Some support from family and friends is nice.

    That said my family has come out to see me play music twice in 30 years. They are much more interested in the computer work which they don't understand. Anyway I don't blame them at all, familiarity breeds contempt, or at least it breeds taking for granted and devaluing.

    I've noticed this with random fans who are all psyched after watching us play a show. As long as they envision us riding from gig to gig, living just for the music, the romantacism of the road warrior, they're all into it. We're rock stars as far as they're concerned. If one of us spills the beans that we actually have "normal" jobs to make a living, and that tomorrow night I'll be doing my laundry for the work week, it really knocks the luster off the bloom, let me tell you! People are so funny.

    I think the OP's list is really good and worth internalizing.
     
  20. fretlessman71

    fretlessman71 Still beats havin' a job Supporting Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    FoCo, NoCo
    I appreciate the support. And allow me to say for the record that watching ANYONE do something that they enjoy, and that they do well, is interesting to me. Whether you work at a paper mill, a shipyard, the local dump, a pizza place, Silicon Valley, an oil field, or Johns Hopkins... if you love what you do enough to take pride in they way you do it, I can find something to appreciate about what you do. Music is my bent; we can't all be bassists because there'd be no one to deliver my mail and empty my dumpster if we were (;))...