# Dorian scale - notation bother

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Nick303, Mar 12, 2014.

1. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013
This is quite basic stuff probably but check out this pic;

It clearly shows;
C D E F G A B C
Now, I thought C Dorian was;
C D Eb F G A Bb C
There's a big hole in my understanding here, it's definitely to do with my reading ability rather than playing ability. Can anyone clear this up for me?

2. ### Winoman

May 15, 2005
Vienna, VA
Is there a Bb and an Eb in the key signature, at the beginning of the score? That should explain both the Cm7 (over score) & C Dorian (under score) annotations.

3. ### elgecko

Apr 30, 2007
Anasleim, CA
Are there two flats at the beginning of the staff?

4. ### bass geetarist

Jul 29, 2013
toronto
Is the key signature indicated at the beginning? If it shows a flat symbol on the b and e notes at the start of the measure or passage (my terminology may be off here, but I hope this still makes sense) then every b and e will be flat unless otherwise indicated.

5. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013

Yes there are, 2 flats. On the B and E lines.. oh ok, this is new to me. Well kind of. Can you explain this to me a bit more fully?

6. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013

Just saw this post. Yes there is, but I don't fully understand it.

7. ### Matthew_84

Nov 7, 2010
It means the B and E are flatted notes. In this case it will only be played different if the note is accompanied with a sharp (#) or natural (&#9838 sign.

EDIT TO ADD: Typically, there is only one new sign per measure though. So if the first E in a measure is followed by a natural sign, and then there is another E in the same measure without any sign accompanying it, that E will also be a natural not a flat. However, in most cases if in the next measure there is an E without a sign accompanying it, it will likely be an E flat again.

8. ### john mSupporting Member

Jan 15, 2006
It's noted at the beginning of each line (or some times each section of a song) so the accidentals don't have to be written each time. Saves clutter.

9. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013
Ok cool, then what happens if there are more or less flats at the beginning?

10. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013
Sorry john m, post crossover.

11. ### elgecko

Apr 30, 2007
Anasleim, CA
Then those notes would also be "flatted". They would remain so until the end of the song unless they were cancelled out by a natural sign or by a new key signature.

12. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013
Ok cheers, I think I get it. Thanks for your help.

13. ### bass geetarist

Jul 29, 2013
toronto
It's been awhile since i've studied theory or read from sheet music, so i may not be the best to explain this, but here goes... Those two flats are indicating the key signature. They are telling you to play EVERY e and b flat, UNLESS a natural symbol (#) appears next to the note, or the key signature changes.

14. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013

So all E's and B'a are flatted, including octaves higher or lower?
I'm guessing yes.

15. ### Matthew_84

Nov 7, 2010
yup... Unless otherwise noted of course

16. ### Mushroo

Apr 2, 2007
Massachusetts, USA
The key signature of Bb and Eb tells us we are in the "key" of Bb major. (And confirmed by the photograph: "modes in Bb")

One way to learn scales is called "solfege": do re mi fa sol la ti do

There is a famous song from "Sound of Music" called "Do-Re-Mi" that is very good for learning the major scale. In your C Dorian example above, C is the "re" (as in "ray, a drop of golden sun") or 2nd note of the Bb major scale.

Yes.

17. ### elgecko

Apr 30, 2007
Anasleim, CA
Correct...also, a natural would cancel out a flat for the entire measure.

18. ### Nick303

Jun 9, 2013
All good.
And my eyes and ears are now working in perfect harmon(ic minor). ;&bull

19. ### davidhiltonSupporting MemberCommercial User

Apr 13, 2009
Los Angeles, CA
It's in the key signature bro.
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20. ### MalcolmAmosSupporting Member

I still need a little help with SN. So the first thing I do with a new score is to add the sharps and or flats with a number 2 pencil. Just makes things easier.