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Double finger pizz technique (Right hand) DB FORUM THREAD

Discussion in 'Jazz Technique [DB]' started by Chris Fitzgerald, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    Just did a lesson with an auditioning student this weekend, and during the course of the lesson we were going over many of the various types of pizz stokes that we have seen various players do. Along the way, we talked about "double finger" pizz technique, as in one finger stacked on top of another in the right hand (i.e. - how Ron Carter sometimes puts the middle finger on top of the index while plucking with the index); I mentioned that I also sometimes see players do it the other way, with the index finger stacked on top of the middle finger while the middle finger plucks. The student just emailed me letting me know that he is enjoying experimenting with this technique and asking if I had any specific names of players doing this or links to videos of this style of pizz playing. Nothing comes immediately to mind, so I thought I'd ask the peanut gallery about this.

    Will slap quick selfies (handies?) of both technique positions onto this post for reference. Please excuse the dry, flaky, splotchy skin - we're having Arctic Freeze v 3.0 down here! Anyway, any and all weigh ins appreciated. Also linking the last really useful pizz thread here in case anybody didn't catch it the first time around: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f23/traditional-pizz-technique-still-best-1005646/index2.html

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  2. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    I don't know about vids, but Peter Washington will use pic#2 when soloing....
  3. tito mangialajo

    tito mangialajo

    Feb 1, 2006
  4. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    Thank you, gents. :)

    About 10:30 here:
  5. Michael Glynn

    Michael Glynn Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2004
    Matt Penman sometimes uses both of those techniques. He mixes up his RH technique, also using just the index finger, or alternating between two fingers for faster stuff.

    You can see some of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msyF0d6n7P8
  6. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    OK, I'll bite...what is the purpose of "stacking" over using just the index by itself?
  7. hdiddy

    hdiddy Official Forum Flunkee Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    Richmond, CA
    Fatter sound? I usually go for the double barreled two finger approach myself - ala Dennis Irwin.
  8. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    The way my hand is built - with the middle finger being much longer than the index - I never use the technique in the picture on the left because it's awkward (hard to hit with the index without the tip of the middle finger also touching the string as well). I sometimes use the technique on the right because the fingers fit together better. I don't really notice any difference in sound, but it does have a slightly different feel and helps me connect the finger more directly to the arm since when those fingers are put together as one there's no temptation to try to "wiggle" that finger; the connection to the bigger mechanism is built in and inevitable in that position.
  9. tshawbass


    May 31, 2007
    augusta georgia
    Ben Allison should be added to this list.
  10. ToR-Tu-Ra


    Oct 15, 2005
    Mexico City
    I'm guilty of both charges. Never learned this as a "technique" with my teacher, it kinda came naturally when looking for more stability to just YANK them strings.

    Pretty, pretty PLEASE don't call them "handies", It'll open a whole new can of worms.