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Driving a Berg HT322 with a tube amp?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by lo-freq, Nov 2, 2003.


  1. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    I know there are a few players with both a Bergantino HT322 and some type of all tube amp (either head or combination tube pre + tube power).

    This cab is rated on the Berg website as having sensitivity = 104db • anechoic: 2.83v/1m, which should be plenty efficient. But on the other hand I recollect some saying that it takes a lot of power to "Wake it up".

    What's the tube scoop on these?

    I would love to have a DB359 head, but don't want to have to buy another (or more) cab(s).

    Might be just as cheap to get a DB680 pre and use my PLX1602, but I doubt it would be quite the same as all tube.

    Y'all let me know what you think.

    Thanks.

    :cool: :bassist: :cool:
     
  2. inazone

    inazone

    Apr 20, 2003
    Colorado
    Dont know if this helps or not but Ive played a wide range of heads and pre/amp combos through my 322's. Sound and volume changed but the one constant that stayed the same was that the more power I put to the 322 the better it sounded. Thats not to say that running 200 watts into a 322 isnt good. My perfect tone came from running my ebs td650 head into the 322, I just cant get it real loud without clipping. My guess is that the aguilar 359 would sound great through this cab (everything sounds great into a 322) if you dont need it to be real loud. Im currently running two 322's with a eden pre a qsc plx 3402.
     
  3. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    Bet that's bitchin'! [To use some flashback phraseology.]

    Thanks for the input.
     
  4. thewanderer24

    thewanderer24

    Apr 29, 2002
    SJ, CA
    I'm not sure about the tube watts, but the tube pre sounds downright AWESOME through the HT322. I have been using my Eden WT400 as a pre with a Stewart 2.1, and the sound is unreal.

    The 650 Watts out of the one side of the stewart into the 4 ohm load of the HT322 is plenty for most small to medium sized room with no PA support. There have only been a few instances when I needed to bridge the Stewie for headroom.

    Not sure if that helps.
     
  5. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    I have a Demeter VTBP-201S -> QSC1602 run bridged and it does sound great. I'm just curious how an all tube amplification chain would sound through the 322.

    [I guess I would need something like Phil Jones' 650W tube head to get it really fired up.]
     
  6. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    Anyone else have any input?

    Also, what cabs would you want to use if you were driving them with an Ag DB359 and wanted to get fairly loud?
     
  7. bassboat

    bassboat

    Sep 27, 2001
    Why not go with a Db 728 aguilar mono block with a Db 680 preamp? 400 all tube watts. Maybe a better match with the bergie than the 359,

    I know a guy that runs a gs 410 and a gs 115 with a DB 359, and that works well. I think they are more efficient cabs than the 322, though.
     
  8. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    Sounds like a good suggestion if I win the lottery.

    By the manufacturer spec's the GS410 and HT322 are both 104dB sensitivity.
    Of course, the 4x10 + 1x15 will give more cone area and more air movement per watt.
     
  9. Lo,
    Check out my many posts on this subject.
    My experience with my Mesa 400+ is the only all tube amp I can comment on.

    The 400+ IS NOT enough power. Sounds great at medium to low volunmes but when you need to get loud, it's clip-city Bro. The 400+ claims 500W, which isn't enough anyway, but it's close to 300w verified by many knowledgeables on TB. The HT series was designed for "high fi - hi power" and that is the only draw back if you don't have a lot of power. I preferred, as you know, the NV610 and my little jewels the HT/EX112's which are more punchie and less bottom worthy than the larger HT cabs. That's why Jim has a line of cabs I guess. I would be real careful with ANY all tube amp. You simply must try it on the job to know if it will work for you. JMHO.

    Note: I am just commenting with regards to the HT322 and HT212 on this reply. Very nice cabs and the 400+ is a great amp with the right cabs.
     
  10. SCT1422

    SCT1422 Supporting Member

    I use a Kern preamp with the QSC PLX-2402 into my HT-322 and it rocks.. What I'd recommend is the DB-659 into a strong poweramp... I also run my QSC bridged mono, plenty of headroom...
     
  11. FWIW I can get punk gig volume out of my Acme 4x10 pushed by a Trace V6. I have also found the DB359 to have very little headroom even through Eden cabs. Don't know how the Acme compares to the Bergs, but I doubt the little Aggie would be sufficient.
     
  12. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    Thanks guys.

    Sounds like the DB359 would be studio only (plus small/medium clubs with very efficient cabs). Damn, I sure love the 359 sound clips on BassTasters.

    Oh well, I'm still very happy with what I have especially at club volumes.
     
  13. ivanthetrble

    ivanthetrble

    Sep 9, 2002
    Orygun
    I'll let you know later this week. Just won a Bergie HT322 on ebay. Will be driving it with an Aguilar DB680 pre-amp/Stewart World 2.1 power amp. Hope it's a good combo.
     
  14. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    That should be extremely sweet.

    When you report, also let us know what bass(es) your using.

    Thanks.
     
  15. boogiebass

    boogiebass

    Aug 16, 2000
    My favorite rig is the 322 driven by a Stew 2.1. Mine has the Demeter 201 pre on the front-end. Exceptional sounding rig; tight, powerful and full-range.
     
  16. Garey

    Garey Supporting Member Commercial User

    Apr 23, 2003
    Northern California
    Artist Relations/Product Specialist: Mesa Boogie
    I'm running a DB359 into a Berg 322....GREAT TONE!! I don't find there's power a problem unless you are playing large venues and really need the stage volume.

    Basses used: '84 Fodera Monarch, 2002 Fodera Monarch 5.

    Aloha, Garey
     
  17. coyoteboy

    coyoteboy easy there, Ned Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Sactomato, CA
    (pokes head in the room)

    If anyone is really interested in the "big" Aggie amp........



















    ....I've got one for sale!

    (runs down the hallway dodging small thrown objects)
     
  18. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    Is that the 400W tuber or the 750W hybrid?
     
  19. coyoteboy

    coyoteboy easy there, Ned Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Sactomato, CA
    DB 728, 400watts, JJ/Tesla tube set w/ low hours.

    it's in the classifieds.