absolutely true story, fellow rumblers, my current band had rehearsed about twenty times, and it was obvious that the drummer was well short of the standard. At one rehearsal he brought along a pro muso pal to help us on any way that he could, and, later, this story found its way back to me. The pro said ' you've got a good bass player there'. and our drummer replied to him 'is he? i didn't know, i havn't listened to him' the drummer has been replaced.