Duff Mckagan Sound

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Bass Boy J, Jun 9, 2021.


  1. Bass Boy J

    Bass Boy J

    Mar 3, 2020
    How did Duff get such a trebly tone with 2 fifteen inch speakers on the GNR records? I know that he didn't use compression, and that he used a seymour duncan hotstack j pickup for the bridge. But the body of the Jazz Special is made of basswood and basswood tends to have a duller sound. To me using only a seymour duncan hotstack j pickup with a basswood body and 2 fifteen inch speakers probably wouldn't add too much treble to the sound.
     
  2. Coz 15s don't sound dull, and he probably turned up the treble on his GK gear
     
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  3. Bass Boy J

    Bass Boy J

    Mar 3, 2020
    On his settings(on the GK amps) he dials the treble back. It’s on his Instagram from about a year ago
     
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  4. Maybe *YOUR* 15 sounds dull and muddy, but most don't.

    Speaker size means nothing other then the size hole it is mounted in.
     
  5. levis76

    levis76 Defender of the Low Ender

    Apr 14, 2007
    Metro Detroit
    Fresh roundwounds, bump the treble on the preamp, boost the high mids on the amp a touch and play with authority. Duff used to really dig in with the pick, made them strings sing.
     
  6. David76112

    David76112

    Feb 19, 2012
    America
    Active EQ helps a lot too. Not to mention all the other mechanics involved in tone.
     
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  7. jeff7bass

    jeff7bass

    Apr 9, 2009
    I got it pretty good with my Spector Euro and GK700RB/115 combo sitting on a GK210. We played Night Train. A blast on the bass.
     
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  8. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    First off, Duff is an outstanding pick player. That's part of it. Where/how he picks likely has something to do with it.

    EQ. Speaker/driver size has nothing to do with it. I could be wrong, but I bet his cabs weren't miced up in the studio anyway.
     
  9. jeff7bass

    jeff7bass

    Apr 9, 2009
    I played Night Train with a pick also. That was back in my younger days. It's strong pick attack with good left hand grip, plus the right GK settings.
     
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  10. Smurf-o-Deth

    Smurf-o-Deth ¡No me gustan mis pantalones!

    Oct 2, 2007
    The state of denial.
    He also likes a bit of chorus in his tone.
     
  11. Smooth_bass88

    Smooth_bass88 vaxx! Supporting Member

    Oct 31, 2006
    North AMERICA, USA
    Unless you were there, it impossible to know what Duff’s exact signal chain was on, say, Appetite for Destruction for example. Besides some of the aforementioned points above, his tone is in his fingers; it’s the way he strikes the strings with his right hand.
     
  12. Standalone

    Standalone

    Jan 17, 2005
    New Haven
    Part of the GK/15" tone IME is that the GK will drive with a sweet warm clear upper mid and treble complexity to the tone when you push it.

    Play the right wattage classic GK for your application, with the treble tone flat or even nudged back, but get the gain staging right and have some hot pickups and a strong RH technique... and the treble comes through from the drive.

    This is my experience, and I haven't given super close listens to Duff since back in the day, but I'm betting that this is part of it.
     
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  13. Standalone

    Standalone

    Jan 17, 2005
    New Haven
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    A white bass helps, too
     
  14. How do you know there was no compression on his bass and that they mic’d his cabs in the studio? I always heard a bit (or sometimes a LOT) of chorus on his bass in GnR tracks.
     
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  15. arbiterusa

    arbiterusa

    Sep 24, 2015
    San Diego, CA
    Pick, hard. He’s a great pick player.
     
  16. OkayistBassist

    OkayistBassist Supporting Member

    Jun 17, 2017
    STL
    Pick hard, but also almost hold your pick sideways. He scratches the strings on his attack.
     
  17. Anemic_SluG

    Anemic_SluG Supporting Member

    Dec 1, 2009
    Washington
    I will add in, as I own a jazz bass special and have had GK rigs. It’s the combo that brings out that Duff tone. That bass covers a lot of ground and doesn’t sound anything like my other pj style basses. It has a ton of lows but a high mid that cuts through, and I have to eq it differently then a lot of my other basses to sit where I like it. So I think it’s his bass, a GK amp and his playing style.
     
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  18. Klangfarbe

    Klangfarbe

    Jan 12, 2020
    tl;dw: He makes massive use of the Contour Control on his GK-Amps. This will boost (around) @50 hz and 7 khz and cut @500 hz. The Treble/ Presence Control sits a little higher around 10 khz. The 7 khz is probably what you hear.

    Have a look into this:
     
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  19. Savage_Dreams

    Savage_Dreams

    Jan 8, 2007
    what makes you think he used 15s back then? im fairly certain it was 10s for him in the (original) GnR days.

    can also see him with 10s here



    Ive seen him with mixed stacks of 4x10 & 15s, even just 12s at times when he was with walking papers i think, but never just 15s.
     
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  20. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol

    Not just a bit, humongous amounts of chorus and the pedal is always on.
    That's where the shininess, swift attack and easiness to cut through comes from.
    To sound like him the chorus is a must.
     
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