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Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Viviuos, Mar 10, 2005.
Does anybody else find it ironic that Easter is originally a Pagan holiday?
No. Christmas is based at the time of a pagan holiday (winter solstace), as is Halloween and others.
christmas is taken from the pagan sun worship day on dec 25
jesus wasnt born anywhere near then
many of christian holidays were jacked from elsewhere
Easter is one of those weird syncretic holidays that mashes Christianity and paganism in one truly bizarre creation. I don't know which is worse, our cultural confusion or the corporate colonization of the holiday by the candy, flower, and greeting card industries.
I've mentioned this before many times - so the fertility goddess Oestre is the obvious derivation for the name and was often in the shape of a Rabbit - all the things that are commonly associated with Easter - eggs, bunnies etc. are from the original Pagan Fertility rites and nothing to do with Jesus!!
The early Church had so little success converting people away from Paganism that they moved their own festivals to coincide - but even so, it is the Pagan parts that survive and all the commercial trappings of Easter are nothing to do with Jesus..
People should be honest and admit that most of the western world isn't based on Christianity but on Pagan rites!!
Jesus was as anti-capitalist as you could be (it's as easy for a rich man ..camel and eye of the needle stuff) and would have hated the commercialism we see in these festivals - whereas Pagans would have recognised the spirit as their own!
I don't see anything wrong with celebrating springtime, whatever "guise" it's in (resurrection or otherwise).
I think there is a huge difference between celebrating the way nature works - things die and new things are born....
And the metaphysical notion of dying and then living on somehow after death...
Well, yeah. That's all allegorical, is my take. People don't rise up from "physical" death. It just doesn't happen. I'd have to see that with my own two eyes, and even then I probably wouldn't believe it. On the other hand, "spiritual" rebirth is worth a lot, IMO. If your downtime is only three days, you're probably better off than most people.
First off, no one has a clue as to the actual date of Jesus' birthday...it could be Dec. 25th for all we know. Second, the Pagan Holiday that Christmas was derived from is Winter Solstice, which occurs on Dec. 21, not the 25th. Winter Solstice is also the holiday from which we get the tradition of exchanging gifts on Christmas.
it's an amusing coincidence, but not ironic.
It's not really amusing and it's certainly no coincidence!!
So it was a deliberate move on the part of the Christian Church to combat the popularity of Paganism - but as we still celebrate and remember all the aspects of the Pagan festivals, it has obviously failed!
So it's probably "unfortunate" rather than "ironic" if you are Christian, or if you are Alannis Morisette!!
I wouldn't say they really failed. It wasn't really intended tocombat the popularity of Paganism, but a way to make the idea of converting to Christianity more appealing to Pagans, as they could keep their traditional holidays, while adopting Christian beliefs.
The only reason I find it funny or ironic is because most Christians believe that pagans are devil worshipers, which is not true at all. But then they turn right around and celebrate a pagan holiday.
I wouldn't go that far. I know a lot of people forget that "pagan" is a term that was used by Christians to describe anyone who wasn't Christian or Jewish (and maybe Islamic as well, I don't quite remember), so basically is was a generalization, and any non-Christian or Jewish holiday is considered pagan. I remember someone coming up to me and saying they're pagan as if it was some kind of religion I responded "Pagan what? Hindu? Buddhist? Baal-worshiper?"
Forget the church! Down with the system! Don't work for the "man"! All govenment is corrupt! The youth is gonna rise up, and theres gonna be a revolution!
etc. Okay, that was pointless.
I know that for Wiccans (Pagans, whatever you prefer), Halloween is the new year.
First, most Christians do not consider pagans to be devil worshipers.
Second, many Christians are aware of the pagan roots of the easter holiday, and choose not to take part in the 'easter bunny and eggs' type of celebration.
While the timing of Jesus' birth is unknown, the timing of his death, burial and resurrection is known.
Jesus had Passover with the inner circle of his disciples, 'the twelve', immediately before he was betrayed and crucified.
So the timing of the easter holiday is correct. How you want to celebrate it is up to you.
My church has a candlelight Good Friday service, and Communion. Unlike Catholics and some Protestants, we only have Communion a few times a year.
We then have a sunrise service on easter Sunday, and celebrate His Resurrection.
After rereading my last post I fell I need to say this. I do not intend to stereotype Christians, and that was not meant to be derogative.
*singing* and though his miiind is not for rent... */singing*