Ed Roman on Lakland/Sadowsky

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  1. slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
  2. willsellout

    willsellout I apologize in advance. Supporting Member

    Aug 13, 2002
    Fort Wayne, IN
    I agree. I don't think they are in the least bit custom. And lakland's prices are rediculous for what they are. Laklands do have nice necks though and his cutomer service is great.

  3. mikezimmerman

    mikezimmerman Supporting Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Omaha, Nebraska
    He's a salesman and not a particularly honest one, nothing more.

  4. slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
  5. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    Really? Of all the USA made Laklands (& I've owned one), I would say the quality is EXCELLENT & the attention to every detail was excellent.

    Translation, I don't understand why people spend all that monsy on Laklands, Sadowsky, Anderson & they won't buy my guitars. :bawl:

    These companies have built a well deserved reputaion for building hih quality instruments with the customer service to back up their product.

    Hey Ed, Stop crying.
  6. RS


    Aug 27, 2000
    Cleveland, OH
    That rant to me seem like more of an ad for his guitars than a sensible refutation of Laklands, Sadowskys, etc.

    He is just upset his his cobbled together guitars don't command the same sums, most likely
  7. neptoon


    Jul 25, 2000
    Palm Bay, FL
    i can't stand him...gives me the creeps, man. his partner, ron blake (of R+B basses), on the other hand, is a straight shooter. ed can pack sand...i think most of us know who builds their stuff and who contracts out parts and assembles them...you can say what you want, but a bass put together in roger sadowsky's shop is going to be a fine instrument whether it's made of legos or completely handmade in house, and to those who want a sadowsky (or lakland or whatever), the price is going to be worth it.
  8. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
  9. bikeplate

    bikeplate Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Upstate NY

    All I can say is that you don't see a anyone playing one of his cobbed up guitars. Sadowsky and Laklands are all over the place. The pros play what's best and not Ed's stuff. I have little respect for a "salesman" who bashes other gear to try to make his seem more desireable. You'd never hear Roger or Dan Lakin make such a mindless statement, let alone in print. Then again, their basses speak for themselves. Ask anyone who owns one!

  10. slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
  11. slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    Turning "actual value" into "perceived value"
    is all in the marketing, advertising, and
    product placement. Shrewd marketing campaigns
    and well spent advertising dollars can turn
    a good product into one with magical qualities
    of mythic proportions. Hey, it's America. Take
    your stand and make your buck.

  12. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    All I have to say is that if those guitars werent worth the $$$$$ no one would buy them.

    Whether it be the looks, sound, playability, vibe, customer service, or some combination of those, there has to something about them that makes them worth every penny.

    Ive heard barely any complaints about Lakland or Sadowsky from anyone other than Ed...... Come to think of it, I dont think Ive heard anything positive out of that guys mouth. It just makes him sound stupid too.

    Im done.

  13. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    What facts? That some companied use CNC machines to cut their necks & bodies?

    If someone is willing to pay $3000 for an instrumest, who cares how it's made? (unless the builder lies about how it's built & where it's built) Lakland, Sadowsky, etc don't hide the fact that they do this. This process leads to amore consistant product.

    "into one with magical qualities of mythic proportions"

    Once you play & feel the instrument, you can make your mind up if it's just Advertising magic or an actual incredible instrument
  14. CS


    Dec 11, 1999
    I personally don't like Sadowsky or Lakland basses. However I have never said or typed that they are over priced etc. The build quality of both companies instruments are excellent and I couldn't fault the basses I tried. However I'm not struggling to market similar products.
  15. slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    Here's his final word in the article:


    Remember a production instrument is nothing more than a production instrument !!!

    Just Say No!!!

    To Production Instruments At Handmade Prices


    >>> I happen to see a certain amount of reason
    in that statement, no matter how
    controversial it may sound, but that's
    just my opinion...
  16. slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    At the end of the day, things are only appealing
    relative to their next best alternative. If a
    product is positioned so that it appears there
    is no alternative or attractive substitute,
    the consumer will undoubtedly pay more for
    that product. It's simple economics really, and
    economic decisions are made on the margin, no
    matter if it's cars or guitars. It's the beauty
    of capitalism..
  17. Actually, I've read a lot of things on his site, and I don't think he knows much about guitars at all. Not about what really makes a guitar tick. He can tell you a fact about what year PRS switched their neck heel, true, but he still thinks that a particular construction method makes one type of guitar better than another. And he knows probably even less about basses.

    As for telling no lies, he's a salesman first and foremost.

    I'm not a great fan of either Lakland or Sadowsky, but much of that link sounds like sour grapes to me ("why won't people buy my Pearlcasters?").
  18. Jeff in TX

    Jeff in TX Supporting Member

    Nov 1, 2000
    Lone Star State
    I've played (and unfortunatly owned...) "Hand Made" instruments that, IMO, weren't worth nearly the price they sold for and would have made better clocks than musical instruments. On the other hand, my Sadowskys are flawless and sound incredible both live and recorded. They have outstanding craftsmanship and world-class service.

    Just because something is "hand made" doesn't give it any additional "value" if it isn't excuted well. Just having a band saw and a couple of sanders in the garage doesn't make one a skilled luthier.

    Plus, I would certainly rather have Roger's or Dan's reputation in the industry that Ed's...

  19. Word.
  20. geshel


    Oct 2, 2001
    Actually, not even. :p I've got a '94 PRS with a long heel.

    I put it up for auction (plug) and got a question about it - "is it really a 94? because I've heard that the long heels didn't begin until 1995. . .".

    Well, it's pretty plain from the serial number that it's a 94. Go figure.
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