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Eden 800 or Eden Navigator with QSC PLX poweramp...your thoughts...?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by TimBosby, Jan 16, 2006.


  1. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Ok sorry I put my Eden 800 up for sale on this forum. I accidentally put it in the wrong forum and then wondered where my post went

    To the guy that suggested I keep the 800 and forgo getting a WP-100 preamp instead...good point. This leads me to the question:

    Weight issues aside, does the WP-100 have all the same features as the preamp of the WT 800? Also, I am looking at getting an Avatar 210 (maybe the Delta which is a 700 watt 8 ohm speaker cab), so....

    What config do you recommend and why (I will listen to everyone's opinion...and cost is DEFINITELY an issue):

    Eden 800 slaving preamp with QSC PLX poweramp
    or
    Eden WP-1 Navigator preamp (can purchase for $500 and would get about $750 in selling the WT-800 putting me $250 ahead) with QSC PLX poweramp

    Also...which QSC... should I go for 1602 (costs about $450 used), 2402 (about $575 used), or 3002 (about $625 used)?

    (keeping in mind I will be running a 1000 watt 8 ohm Schroeder 1212 with a 700 watt 8 ohm Avatar 210 Delta)
     
  2. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    honestly,

    i like an integrated setup. and we're talking 2 rack spaces vs. 3 rack spaces.
     
  3. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    I'm an idiot but by "integrated" I assume you mean the Nav pre amp/power amp route.



     
  4. RicPlaya

    RicPlaya

    Apr 22, 2003
    Whitmoretucky MI
    Good questions.

    The Eden Nav pre has a few more buzzers and wistles than the wt800 head. Eithier way it won't suck. I like the option of having a head and amp..with a DI box that allows you to have 2 small rigs, if you want one for home and practice space and many many cab options. Do you want to sell the head...Ebay an all that stuff? It' up to you.

    As far as power for the cabs, I know Schro cabs sound very good with little power driving them, but I would make sure since your going through all the trouble to be around 1-1.25X the RMS of whatever cab configuration you are running. This is my opinion, a lot of folks will say the RMS thing is BS. But cabs never sound worse being powered adequatley.
     
  5. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    i'm an idiot, too. ;) i'd rather get the amp, only cause its easier to carry around, especially in the city, on the subway, up the subway stairs, and into the cab.

    but yea, the smart thing would be to buy a separates / modular setup.
     
  6. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    True, good points. But I already have a potential buyer lined up for the head.. no Ebay required. And I'd be up $250 which is a powerful motivator :)

    Well right now the Schroeder has no trouble with the 800 watts my WT800 is feeding it, even though it is a 1000 watt cabs. Close enough. With 1605 from a QSC it'd be the same.
     
  7. RicPlaya

    RicPlaya

    Apr 22, 2003
    Whitmoretucky MI
    If you plan on daisy chainning those cabs together and run it in 4ohms your looking at 1700 watts. Take the $250.00 and invest it into your amp.
     
  8. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Are you saying the QSC PLX 1602 (1600 watts at 4 ohms) would not be enough? 800 watts for the Schroeder (what I have now) and 800 watts for the Avatar.

    I could get the 3002 but that seems like complete overkill.



     
  9. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Speaking from experience, a nav + PLX1602 will not be as loud or as fat sounding as your WT800. If you want a power amp to go with the Nav I suggest a WT1000/WT1250, both of which are stable bridged at 4 ohms.

    Search for my thread on the WT1000 from a month or two ago.
     
  10. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Hmm I wouldn't think the Eden 1000 or 1250 would adequately fill out two cabs. But if I were to go that route it'd be easier to upgrade my WT 800 to a WT 800B for $495. Each cab would get 550 watts and that seems underpowered....


     
  11. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    I guess my point was not to bother with a PLX1602. Eden also makes a 1500 watt amp that would probably be killer.
     
  12. RicPlaya

    RicPlaya

    Apr 22, 2003
    Whitmoretucky MI

    That would be enough...yes. Equal wattage for the RMS rating is a good starting point...I little extra would be ideal but you prolly won't notice the difference.
     
  13. RicPlaya

    RicPlaya

    Apr 22, 2003
    Whitmoretucky MI


    If you got the upgrade that would be 1100 watts at 4 ohms. Some say it would be fine?
     
  14. RicPlaya

    RicPlaya

    Apr 22, 2003
    Whitmoretucky MI



    Why do you say that? They sound different?
     
  15. Aren't we actually talking about 2 rack spaces versus at least 4 rack spaces (or even 5 with a space for cooling) with the components.

    I can't imagine anyone needing more oomph than an 800(b) into 4ohms... it will literally knock a wall down with the right cab (like a 410XLT or Schroeder 21012, etc.).

    So... it's the 800 ALL THE WAY!
     
  16. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    I am getting confused here. Pickles threw me for a loop. I need to think about this more.

    My goal is to effectively use 2 high-wattage cabs. I like Eden gear. I've read good things about QSC and my friend has an RMX. I think a PLX would be better since it's lighter and I found two good deals: a 1602 for $450 and a 3002 for $625. The 1602 seems just about perfect in terms of matching up with two cabs. The 3002 seems like major overkill for any situation I may find myself in but I have heard some say you can never have too much power. If I stay with all Eden gear I would prolly just upgrade the 800 to an 800B.


    Here are my options (based on prices from people that I am considering...in price order from lowest net cost to highest net cost)

    Option 1: If I sell my WT-800 for about $750, buy a Navigator Preamp for about $500 and a QSC PLX 1602 for $450, I am only out $200.

    Option 2: I saw an Eden 1250 poweramp and Navigator preamp together for $1000. If I sold my Wt-800 for $750 and bought those two, I'd be out $250. Pickles would seem to indicate this would be a better option than Option 1.

    Option 3: If I sell my WT-800 for about $750, buy a Navigator Preamp for about $500 and a QSC PLX 3002 for $625, I am out $375.

    Option 4: I could keep the WT-800 and buy a QSC PLX 1602 which would give me more power and have the option of a backup amp along with the WT-800s preamp as a slave. But I'd be out the cost of the 1602... $450.

    Option 5: If I keep my WT-800 and upgrade it to the B version, I am out $495 and have to either ship it or take it to Minnesota and wait for it in the factory.

    Option 6: Same as Option 4 only QSC PLX 3002 instead of 1602, leaving me out the cost of the 3002 which is $625.

    Money is an issue so I want to get the best value for the lowest cost naturally.

    Which Option?
     
  17. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
  18. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Oops...mistake on option 2 that I just fixed. I'd be out $250, not $500...big difference!

    Fair enough, pickles... I am just curious, by your opinion, would you pick Option 2 or Option 5?
     
  19. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Tough call. 2 is cheaper and slightly more powerful (and you get an onboard compressor), 5 is more convenient, lighter, and simpler. Both would be great setups IMO.
     
  20. TimBosby

    TimBosby Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Omaha, NE, USA
    Let's not forget Option 7: Wait for tax refund and get an Eden 1205!! :)