Eden Amp Volume

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by grooveguru, Nov 20, 2001.

  1. grooveguru


    Sep 14, 2000
    Central PA
    Where do you set your volume controls on your Eden heads? I have a WT400 and have the gain and master volume about half way. The amp doesn't seem that loud at band practice. Should I be turning up the gain or the master. I know the amp can put out alot more than what I'm hearing. I'm using 2 8 ohms cabs.
  2. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    Turn the master all the way down and set the input/preamp level first. Set it so the light just blinks on your loudest notes. Then set the master to taste. In general, if you have to go above 12 o'clock on the master, you don't have enough amp for the room.
  3. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Hmmmm ... I usually set mine both at about 12 o'clock, not for any particular reason other than it sounds bitchen like that. If I need more volume, I turn up the master.

    Now a question for boogiebass. If you're peaking your preamp and bringing the power amp up to volume, aren't you leaving a lot of headroom on the table? In other words, with your power amp at less than max volume, you're more likely to send it into clipping because the full power isn't available when a big ol' peak comes ripping through from the pre. Or am I mixed up?
  4. methinks you're mixed up :D

    giving the poweramp section a hotter preamp signal allows it to run at a lower level, therefore there are still reserves when peaks do come through.

    it's a different kettle of fish though when you're talking about all-tube amps - often you want to keep the preamp gain down but drive the power tubes into saturation to get the real balls (can anyone say SVT? :D )
  5. I have an Eden WT-800 and I usually set the Gain around 2 o'clock when using my active pick ups and my Master no more than 3, I think 1.5 is loud enough.
  6. I set my gain at 12 o'clock and the master at about 11 o'clock. This works well for me!

  7. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    The procedure I described above is straight out of the Eden manual. Send 'em an email and they'll email you back a manual you can print out, if you didn't get one with your amp.

    To answer your question, Munji: no, that's not correct. Nil basically laid it out the way 'tis. Although you can get different sounds by experimenting, in general, there's no advantage to under-driving the preamp. Quite the opposite, in fact. You want to send the hottest, clean signal you can get to your power amp to maximize signal-to-noise. All-tube amps, on the other hand, are a whole other story...
  8. WT-800... master at either 12 or 3, Gain at either 9 or 12. I have no clue why i set it like this. I just always have. Most of the time i'll just dime it off 12/12 though... then they tell me to turn down...
  9. lowfreqman


    Aug 18, 2001
    behind a bass
    On my Metro, I have had the best results when I set my gain level per the Eden manual. Although, this depends on how you have your preamp, bass preamp, and bass volume levels set. The more volume and preamp boost from your guitar and the more boost set on your preamp in your amp head will cause the set level light to go on at lower gain settings. Thus, the gain can vary greatly from person to person and from bass to bass.

    Personally, I have my gain set at about 2 to 3 o'clock. I change my master based on the type of room/band I'm playing in.
  10. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    Exactly right! Good point. You should dial in the exact tone settings you want first (and that includes your active instrument settings, if applicable) before you set gain.
  11. tornadobass

    tornadobass Supporting Member

    Nov 20, 2000
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Endorsing Artist: Black Diamond & SuperSensitive strings
    I've recently started using a WT-300 made in 1996. Settings depend on the bass. On a hotter bass, like my G&L L-1000, I'll put the gain at about 11 o'clock. With my Jazz, I'll set the gain at about 1 o'clock. That's just enough to get the comp light to flash on the louder/lower notes.

    At quieter gigs, the master is at about 10 o'clock (as per the manual). For louder gigs, the master is between 10:30 and 11:30. I'm using a 4 ohm Carvin RL210T, but will likely use a 4 ohm Carvin RL115 in medium sized rooms.

    Something to watch for with the Eden amps is that there's a quick taper on the tone pots. If it doesn't put out enough sound with master and gain at 12 o'clock, it could be that the enhance is set very high (past half wayup) or the mids are scooped too much (a click or two does a lot on my amp).

    BTW, do you Eden users notice much hiss once the master gets beyond 11 o'clock?

  12. lowfreqman


    Aug 18, 2001
    behind a bass

    I notice some hiss when the master volume is past 11 o'clock on, but only when I'm in a very quiet environment (i.e. my practice room). When I am on stage, I have to put my ear right next to the speakers to hear the hiss. It's not a problem.