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Eden D-410T

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by jplb70, Nov 9, 2001.


  1. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    Hi all,
    I'm thinking of buying this Cab and was wondering if anyone has one or know how they stand up to the newer Eden Cabs. So let me know what ya think of the sound of this Cab. Oh yeah I'm planning on usein it w/a Carvin R1000 series III Biamped w/a Peavy BW 15" for the low end
    Thanx
    Jp
    Oh yeah one more thing I just talked to the guy and he said he wants $450.00 US for it. It's in near mint shape. Is this a good price?
     
  2. Nails

    Nails

    Jun 4, 2000
    Austin, Tejas
    I haven't played through a 410T, the store that carries Eden around me usually doesn't have one when I'm in there. But I do have, and love, a 410XLT. Based on my cab, and Eden's general reputation, I'd feel safe in saying it should sound great. I don't know how it compares to the 401XST (the single ported cab which is Eden's new cab I assume you're talking about), but the construction quality will be of the same high standard.

    Is the cab close enough to where you can try it out before you buy? I bought my XLT used and the guy was a few towns away so I went to try it before I bought it. I highly recommend trying before you buy.

    As for the price I have no idea, but list is $1,000 so retail is probably around 6-700. So I'd say 450 is a good deal. Of course I'm just estimating on retail, find an online store or a store in your town to check me on that. You're getting out without tax and shipping as well, and that's always good.

    *edited to fix my poor gammar*
     
  3. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    Hey Nails wassup. Yeah I was thinkin of the XLT series. I've read a lot of good things about Eden unfortunatly I can't find one locally to check out. Right now I'm runnin my R1000 into a Peavey BW 15x2 8 in for the highs and a Peavey BW 18x2 10 for the lows both at 4 ohms. But the 18 is just to flubby especially when I drop the E to D. When I run the lows into the 15 it's much tighter. So I figure if I run the highs into the D-410T at 4 ohms and the lows into the 15x2 8 It should have nice punch and good low end w/out the flub (I hope). I checked around the web and this cab can be had new for around 7-8 hundred new depending on the site so I figure at 450 it's a good deal. Thanx for the feedback! Anyone else wanna chime in about this cab or this setup in general? All feedback good or bad would be greatly apreciated!
    Jp
     
  4. leper

    leper

    Jun 21, 2001
    should be awesome. Since you dont need to get alot of lows from the eden the non ported model is the way to fly cuz itll sound punchier.
     
  5. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    I auditioned the 410T in a music store - it is a very nice cabinet, but by itself is not really strong in the low bass. But since you're planning to use a 1x15" as well, it will probably work just fine. If I ever get around to further upgrading my rig, I would seriously consider stacking a 210T or 410T atop my Eden 2x15.

    The 410T *is* ported, BTW - just that the port is located on the rear of the cabinet and is not nearly as big nor long as the front ports on the XLT.

    The Carvin R1000 is a nice amp. The biggest drawback is that Carvin's lowest bi-amp frequency is 200 Hz., which is WAY too high for bass guitar amplification. I don't bother bi-amping, but I attenuate the lows to my 2x10 by inserting a simple capacitor into the preamp send/ amp return loop.

    - Mike
     
  6. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    So Mike you think runnin it briged in full range to both cabs is the way to go? Can't wait for the thing to get here so i can get to tweakin:) Oh yeah I went ahead and bought it :) Just hate waitin for the new toys to show up at the house hehe. Anyway thanx
    Jp
     
  7. leper

    leper

    Jun 21, 2001
    wasnt aware it was ported...silly me :D
     
  8. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    You could try it. I would be a little bit cautious, though if you play a low B string (31 Hz.) and like to crank up the bass EQ, because the 410 isn't really designed for that kind of duty at high volumes. You'd probably be fine, though, if you like to de-emphasize the deep bass.

    If you *do* run some heavy low end with a lot of power (as I do sometimes), you should try bi-amping to keep from blowing your tens, or put a capacitor in the loop if you run full-range, as I mentioned earlier. For the R1000, you could try a value of around .0069 uF, wired in series. You might want to experiment with it. The idea is to block the lowest bass from the channel driving the tens to keep the cones from being extruded through the grille!

    - Mike
     
  9. Captain Awesome

    Captain Awesome

    Apr 2, 2001
    PDX
    How would you attach the cap to the send/return jacks?
     
  10. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    I have series II Carvin heads - which have separate jacks for send and return. I could have hard-wired the capacitor within the chassis, but decided that I wanted the flexibility to remove it whenever. I got two 1/4" plugs and some wire (about 8"), soldered the capacitor in-line (tip-to-tip), and wrapped it up in electrical tape. I just plug the thing in, and I have an instant high-pass filter (or bass blocker).

    If you are handy with a soldering iron, it's easy to do. If not, then try bi-amping first and see how you like it. There are lots of other solutions. If you have the money, you could build or buy a really good, higher-order variable filter box and insert it in the loop the same way for even better results. I like to tinker with equipment and see if I can get the results I'm after without spending more than necessary. The simple, first-order filter that is created by this single capacitor gave me acceptable results.

    - Mike
     
  11. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    I should add (and I've mentioned this in other threads): if Carvin redesigned their heads to have a switchable, variable low-pass filter on Channel 1 and a switchable, variable high-pass filter on Channel 2 - both with a frequency range of, say, 50-500 Hz., it would really improve it a lot (i.e., remove one of the weakest features of the existing design). This would allow the user to overlap frequency ranges to get more out of the capabilities of typical bass speakers.
    - Mike
     
  12. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    Well I certainly don't want to send my 10's through the grill :0. I do play loud but I'm a four string man.
    I was planning on biamping so I'll probably start there. I should have this cab on Thur. or Fri. Thanx for the VERY informative posts Mike. I hope I still like my Carvin head once I hook up that Eden;). I'll let ya all know what I think.
    Peace
    Jp
     
  13. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    Looking forward to your report on it!
    - Mike
     
  14. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    Well I got my cab and I F'ing love it! It makes the Peavy I was useing for the highs sound like a paper cup:). It is a little lacking in the way low end but paired w/my 18 DAMN it sounds sweet!(however I haven't tried it in full range by itself) My old cab sounded (I dunno how to describe it) like artificial and harsh no matter what I ran through it. But this cab makes my mids and highs tight,punchy yet kinda warm added tons of sustain and harmonics are unbeliveable. Realy glad I took the plunge and bought this thing so far worth every penny. Now I gotta save up some dough and maybe go for a 2x15 Eden in like a year hehe.
     
  15. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    That's exactly how I would describe what I heard from an Eden 410T in a music store audition. Glad you like it as much.

    I have the D-215XLT and am quite happy with it. I wrote a review of it (see the Reviews section of TB). You'd have the perfect wide-range stack with these two cabinets. As discussed before, you may want to attenuate the lowest octave or so going to the 4x10 if you play really low and loud.

    - Mike
     
  16. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    Man I just spent the weekend jammin w/the band through this cab. It's a keeper. So I'm sellin the peavey cabs struck a deal w/a kid and will cover a good portion of the 580.00 I can get a 215XL for. I'm thinkin I can forego the tweeter in the bass cab considering the the sweetness I'm getting out of the 410 w/a peavey 18 on the low end now.

    Hey Mike how would you suggest puttin a capacitor in line to only cut the lows to the high end cab? In line w/the high end speaker cable out to the cab? Would'nt putting it in the effects loop cut the frequency to both cabs? I only ask because I don't know a lot about circuitry but I do like to tweak things. Or could you (or anybody else) suggest some nice variable filter boxes for the loop.
    Thanx
    Jp
     
  17. MikeyD

    MikeyD

    Sep 9, 2000
    Glad it's working out for you. The price on the 215XL is good; you can get the XLT for about $50 more, as I recall. It might be worth it, because maybe sometime you won't feel like using both cabinets. For example, I had part of my rig in the basement for rehearsals, then the 215 upstairs in my small practice room. It's nice to hear some of the high end (but a tweeter is no replacement for that array of tens). Note that another TB member just picked up a used Eden 1x18 - check out his comments in a current thread.

    This capacitor does *not* go in the speaker line; it goes between the preamp and power amp stages of the Carvin head that I have. Since the amp is stereo, I insert it in only one of the channels. The full story is here:

    1. My post stamped 03-23-2001 04:21 AM in the "Eden 215XLT Anyone" thread:
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6399&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

    2. My post stamped 05-06-2001 10:46 PM in this thread:
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=17006

    Check it out. It should work for the Carvin head you are considering. You might want to get several values of capacitor to play with. I bought polyester film caps from Radio Shack in .01, .022, and .047 uF sizes. If you wire them in parallel, you add their capacitance. I used a .022 in parallel with a .047 to get .069 uF. (See EDIT NOTE below.) You might like a little different a corner frequency. Play with some different combinations and see what sounds best to you, yet protects the 4x10 from the super low fundamentals.

    - Mike

    EDIT NOTE: Ooops! Sorry about that - it was too easy to err from memory. I'm glad I had it written down: I actually wired a .022 and .01 in SERIES (which is like resistors in parallel) to yield .0069 uF. What a difference a decimal point makes! Sorry about that. The correct number is .0069 uF.
     
  18. jplb70

    jplb70

    Nov 1, 2001
    Damn more very informative posts! This place is GREAT! Well you guys convinced me I'm goin to call this dealer I found and if he only bangs me 50 more for the xlt I'm goin for it! After all I could always turn off (or down) the tweeter if not needed right? ;) Thanx Mike I'll let ya know how I make out.
    Oh by the way so far Biamping the cab sounds great and doesn't seem to be pushin the 4x10 to hard so after I get a new low end cab I'll start thinkin about filtering the low end to the 4x10 in my situation it may not be needed. We shall see.
    Peace
    Jp