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Eden D215T -- any experience?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by millard, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. millard


    Jul 27, 2004
    I got good responses to my more general 2x15 question, so I'm going to dig a little deeper.

    I haven't been able to open this one up (and Eden hasn't answered my email), but knocking on the sides of the cabinet (very scientific, I know), it seems like the two halves of the cabinet are are separated, i.e., sort of like 2 1x15s in a convenient cabinet with rollers. Unfortunately, the guy sold his bass head, so I can't actually listen to it until I go back.

    It is immaculate and supposedly barely used. It certainly hasn't left the living room many times. He's willing to sell it for $550 and that seems like a pretty good deal as long as it sounds good. A new Eden D115XLT around here goes for $460 plus tax and the D210XLT for $550.

    Anyway, it's my birthday on Friday and I want to buy myself a decent cab. Just trying to gather some data and figure out if this might be the one.

    The other one I'm looking at is a BagEnd 4x10 (old model with the less deep box). I like that it's rear ported, but I'm sort of partial to 15s.

    Thanks to all for sharing your knowledge and experience.

  2. IvanMike

    IvanMike Player Characters fear me... Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2002
    Middletown CT, USA
    wow - is this the one they had with the 15's in a diagonal sort of mounting? so the cab was really small? i remember them talking about it and i think i have a spec sheet, but i never actaully saw one.
  3. millard


    Jul 27, 2004
    Yeah, it's a rectangular sort of cabinet, a little shorter than I imagine 2 1x15s would be stacked and the speakers are offset towards each corner, ported top and bottom.

    Here's a link: http://www.eden-electronics.com/products/cabs/indiv/d215xlt.asp

    Now, the text about the speaker has me wondering what they will really sound like:

    Our updated version of that great 15” traditional 1970s bass sound. Deep, fat, and solid this 2 X 15” has great classic character without definition at high levels. It comes with kick back rollers and both top and side handles. It also features an adjustable tweeter and great punch.

    I'm particularly wondering about that "without definition at high levels". Is that marketing speak to sell a "flaw" or lack of proper editing. The "great punch" would imply that the drivers are isolated. I doubt the current owner is going to let me dismantle to check, though.

    I don't have enough Eden history to know if the speaker is a newer or older model of the 15". The D215 has the EC-1560F and the D115 has the EC-1500XL.

  4. I think that is a typo, becasue Musicians Friend says

    Deep, fat, and solid, this 2 - 15" cab has great classic character without losing definition at high levels.

    I personally tried the cab with a WT400 and Fender J and was absolutely blown away. Warm, smooth, and fat. Just the way I like it.
  5. adam on bass

    adam on bass Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2002
    New Braunfels, Texas
    Endorsing Artist: Spector, GK, EMG and D'Addario
    i own 2 of these cabs. it us an awesome cab. i have never taken a speaker out to see if it is secular. I'll check it out.
  6. MikeyD


    Sep 9, 2000

    The following is an excerpt from an e-mail exchange between Millard and me on this subject (Jan. 12, 2005):

    >Thanks for your email about the cab. I'd love to see your review.
    >They probably shouldn't pull reviews for gear that is still available

    Yeah, I don't know why they did that, because it was well-written. And even if the product were no longer manufactured, lots of people keep buying them used for years afterward. In fact, I might someday be tempted to pick up an old Acoustic 301 cabinet (last made probably decades ago) based on some great reviews I've read.

    > You can just send it as text in an email if you want --
    >I'll dig through the HTML to find the pertinent data -- whatever is
    >easiest for you.

    Okay, I've placed the text at the bottom of this message.

    >If you could wave your magic wand, would you trade your 2x15 for 2

    I'd say no at this point. First, my back is still holding up, so I can get it up the stairs by myself if I have to. If my back were badly injured, then I might go for 2 separate 1x15" cabinets. The other thing is, I now have another single 1x15" that I can use for smaller venues. You can see all this stuff in the web page URL I sent. The Eden 2x15" is really great to have when I have to make a lot of low end. It's actually quite easy to move too, with its tilt-back rollers. Getting it up and down stairs is more of a challenge, as it's about 100 lbs., but nowhere near as heavy as other 2x15" cabs out there. Plus it's relatively compact - easily slides into the back seat of my Corolla wagon.

    > Would you gig the 2x15 by itself?

    Not unless my other speakers died. I usually bring my Eden 410T when I perform with the 215. If not that, I use another 2x10 cabinet (you can see them on my web page). The reason is, I need to have the midrange come out for the type of funk playing I usually do, and the 2x15 is a little weak in that range. However, it could be used in a pinch.

    > This is probably my
    >situation at least for now (for budget reasons). I play in a
    >not-quite-rock band now and don't need lots of slap and pop happy
    >overtones. That said, we don't currently have a lead guitarist, so I
    >do play in the upper registers at times when I'm following the melody,
    >so it needs to sound good if I'm in the upper-12.

    The 2x15 will probably do okay alone for you, especially if you have some flexibility with EQ - bring up the range around 400-800 Hz a bit. But the bottom line is, you don't need a 2x15 unless you absolutely have to make a lot of big low end that the house system can't handle. Mine has been overkill somewhat for the gigging I've done - except for outdoor gigs, where it has served very well. But most indoor gigs I've done don't need that big a low end and/or have PA support. My initial reason for buying the 2x15 was because I was working with a really loud drummer back then.

    >Thanks again for sharing your insights.

    You're welcome. The only thing I might add, now that I've "lived" with the Eden 215 for about 4 years, is that my statement in the review, "This is almost a hi-fi cabinet," isn't quite right. It does have some coloration, but I think a lot of bass players are fooling themselves about needing a hi-fi sound in most playing situations. When you're out in the audience, the acoustics of the room will have a much bigger effect on what people hear than the fidelity of the cabinet itself. The cabinet also does start weakening below 40 Hz. (around low E), but there's enough air being moved by it that it will still make a nice rumble down at low B (31 Hz.).

    ########## REVIEW ##########

    Eden D-215XLT Review
    by Mike deLeon (MikeyD)
    March 19, 2001

    Purchased February 24, 2001 (from EarCraft, Dover, NH).

    Price: $749

    SPECS (from Eden's Web Site, www.eden-electronics.com, March 9, 2001):

    __ Model: D-215XLT
    __ Price: $958 [MSRP list]
    __ Size: 23"W x 38.5"H x 18.5"D
    __ Weight: 100 lbs.
    __ Power/imp.: 400 watts; 4 ohms
    __ Speakers: 2-EC 1560F [see my comments about stamped-frame drivers
    actually used!]
    __ Crossover: 18DB/Octave Auto-Comp. [no frequency given]
    __ Tweeter: EC-2700
    __ Coverage pattern: 60 Deg.
    __ Sensitivity: 103DB SPL @ 1w 1m
    __ Frequency Response: 40hz to 20khz [no SPL given for these; I
    believe it's probably -2 dB]


    In its favor: it's darned good-looking. The black grille is very
    classy, and I like the jet black cloth (carpet) covering. The drivers
    behind the grille are visible but not gaudy. At 100 lbs., it's light
    enough and well-balanced such that I can hoist it up horizontally and
    walk up stairs with it by myself (I have a strong back, thank
    goodness), it's small enough that it slides right into the back seat
    of my (tiny!) Honda Civic wagon. The retracting pull handle at the
    top is great for pulling it out of the car, and for "walking" it on a
    floor on its hind rollers. It's big enough to look like a serious
    bass speaker, yet small enough to manage without too much difficulty.
    While it's a bit of a challenge to carry up a flight of stairs alone,
    I'm positive it would be easier than, say, an Ampeg 2x15 or 8x10. The
    fact that the Eden is only 23" wide is in its favor, too, since it
    makes it easy to roll through tight spaces.

    The side handles are primarily set up for two-person lifting. It is
    very difficult for one person to hoist this cabinet, because reaching
    both handles at the same time can be a challenge - especially for
    shorter persons. I'm going to try to figure out a way to hook up some
    straps to the cabinet to enable me to carry it up/down stairs more
    easily by myself.


    Construction quality is very impressive. I took a side handle off and
    looked inside with a flashlight. Components and wiring appeared very
    professional (I'm an engineer and have dealt with electronics for
    years). The tweeter protection is a fuse-like bulb cartridge. See
    Eden's web site for a nice explanation of it. The cabinet is very
    rigid with plywood cross-bracing (actually "webs") across the big
    panels. The ports exiting the top and bottom actually travel to the
    rear of the cabinet and take a right-angle turn toward the middle, for
    a total port length of about 30" each. Interesting design.

    I found that my cabinet used stamped-frame 15" drivers (ES 1560, 8-ohm
    models) instead of the claimed cast-frame units. After inquiring
    about this, I was informed by Eden directly that there were some
    problems with suppliers of speaker frames and Eden found an acceptable
    stamped steel frame to replace the cast frame normally specified for
    this cabinet's drivers. According to Eden's web site, the David
    series 15" drivers are all cast (EC drivers). However, the Nemesis
    series (N-115P) uses the ES 1560. I have suggested to Eden that they
    update their product information, to reflect the components actually
    used in their products.


    When I tried out the cabinet in the store, I found that it sounded
    better when someone else played and I got farther away (around 30 feet
    or more). I attribute this effect to the development of low
    frequencies at a distance from a big cabinet. See my thread on
    '"Throw" of Bass From a Cabinet (Long Summary)' in the Amps forum of

    The lows were solid, which I hoped for and expected, and the treble
    was good - also expected due to the presence of the tweeter horn.
    However, I and others in the store were amazed by the midrange
    (especially upper midrange) of this cabinet. It's weaker than a
    typical 2x10 or 4x10, to be sure, but not by much. My music covers
    the gamut of styles and, particularly with funk, I need the entire
    range from extreme low to extreme high with solid punchy mids. This
    cabinet does very well across the range. One could probably EQ it to
    approximate the punchiness of tens; I will keep my 2x10 cabinet,
    because it rounds out the "weak" area of the 215 - but I could
    certainly go to a gig having forgotten to bring my 2x10 along and not
    be much worse off. This is almost a hi-fi cabinet. I plugged the amp
    into my stereo system, and did some adjustments with an EQ and got a
    reasonably hi-fi sound out of it!

    I would characterize the sound as big and fat, but not sloppy. This
    box brings back the sound of the classic, "pound-the-air-out-of-your-
    lungs" bass amps of days gone by. According to Eden, the cabinet has
    a break-in period. The claim relates to the drivers' suspensions
    loosening up a bit with use, and they say the speaker should generate
    even more bass as it breaks in.

    I recently auditioned Eden's D-410XLT cabinet, which was very
    impressive for a 4x10. I noted that its bottom is quite strong, but
    not quite the equal of this 215 cabinet. Given the cone excursions I
    was seeing, I also wondered how well the 410 could keep from breaking
    up at low frequencies under high power use.

    I recently tried it out in a gig for the first time - a medium-small
    place with low ceilings. It was great. A bass player in the
    audience, whose opinion I respect, said the sound was thick and full,
    and he could hear it all. The combination of the Eden 215XLT and a
    2x10 to top it off in the gig was DA BOMB!!


    If you are looking for a cabinet that superbly handles the very bottom
    of the bass range and moves a ton of air - easily down to low B -
    check out this cabinet. While it is certainly harder to move around
    than a typical 1x15", it's not bad. There are other 2x15 cabinets
    that weigh considerably more. Price is very good, as compared to
    comparable high-quality 2x15" or 1x18" cabinets from other
    manufacturers. In its favor: reasonable size and weight for a 2x15",
    excellent overall sound, high efficiency (at least for a non-horn-
    loaded cabinet), reasonable price, and very high quality of
    construction. Disadvantages: it's not as easy to move as a typical
    1x15" or 1x18" cabinet. If you want a killer bottom with decent
    midrange and great treble, consider the Eden D-215XLT.

    MY RATINGS (0-100):

    Construction: 100% (I haven't found a flaw or a design deficiency,
    other than the issue about stamped-frame drivers)

    Loudness: 94% (a reasonably loud cabinet; probably only a horn-loaded
    cabinet would be louder)

    Clarity: 95%

    Tone: 95% (big and thick without being muddy - with a bit less upper-
    midrange punch than an 10"-loaded system would give)

    Size/Bulkiness: 88% (depends on your perspective; it's not small and
    not easily carried up stairs by one person, but not bad for a 2x15
    with its level of performance and size of sound)

    Value: 95% (I think this is about the best Eden value per dollar in
    their whole "David" line of speakers)

    Overall: 95% (9 out of 10)