Eden toroidal transformer buzz

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by slareman, Dec 28, 2007.


  1. slareman

    slareman

    Nov 7, 2007
    Alright, I will take it to a tech. It's really too bad that I don't have a backup amp, though. Thanks a lot for all the help, bassmodder!
     
  2. Yeah no problem. My "backup" amp got "installed" in our main pa setup because the crown took a lightening hit. So I always get to lug my 60 lb Ampeg around:(

    I am thinking I want my amp back.

    Good luck with the repair and nice Job with sticking with it and doing all you could.
     
  3. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    Nobody has asked so I will. You say your amp is 'Upgraded" to WT400 specs. Just what were the modifications and who did them? Did the amp hum before the mods were done or only after?

    Paul
     
  4. slareman

    slareman

    Nov 7, 2007
    I bought the amp after it had been upgraded...the former owner said it was sent to the Eden factory (you can see of list of the upgrades that Eden will perform on their website). I haven't been able to confirm this, but the power amp board is a different color than the other boards in there and it says "PM400" on it. Also, the gain and enhance knobs are push/pull, which I believe wasn't the case for the stock WT-300.
     
  5. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    You said that you were advised to try rotating the toroid and when you tried the hum got much worse. Did you rotate it back to its original position?

    Paul
     
  6. slareman

    slareman

    Nov 7, 2007
    After I moved it the first time, the noise just stayed worse—even when I moved it back to the original position.
     
  7. Where are the power connections to the transformer in relation to the preamp board? It sounds like you're getting induced line noise from something not properly physically routed.
     
  8. greenboy

    greenboy

    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    Hi! I'm your friendly amp technician! I live perhaps thousands of miles outside the range of hearing and seeing your amp - even when it's turned up and working! So I've devised this handy questionnaire! In order to help me more efficiently diagnose and repair the problem with your amplifier please respond to the following points:


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  9. slareman

    slareman

    Nov 7, 2007
    The preamp board sits in the front; the knobs on the front panel are on the preamp board. It is connected to the filter cap section via a cable with a single connector. The transformer has a few wires connected to the rear panel of the amp, and a few connected to the filter cap section (which is also at the rear of the amp, but extends to the middle).
     
  10. Without having the amp in front of me, layout or ground issues are nearly impossible to diagnose. Aside from your attempted self-repair, has an actual tech ever had ahold of your amp to fix this problem?
     
  11. slareman

    slareman

    Nov 7, 2007
    Nope, that's the plan for tomorrow ;) Thanks.
     
  12. Ok, keep us posted!
     
  13. bthrem

    bthrem

    Dec 4, 2005
    Cincinnati, OH
    Following up on my similar post:

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401526

    I found the source of my issue to be the green ground wire that comes off the effects loop / DI / etc connector on the preamp board. As I moved it around within the amp, the buzz in the output signal would become intense to nearly non-existent. It seems this wire is very susceptible to various electric fields generated within the amp. I found an optimal location and taped it in place. All is well now.
     
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