Dismiss Notice

Psst... Ready to join TalkBass and start posting, make new friends, sell your gear, and more?  Register your free account in 30 seconds.

Eden VS Schroeder VS Bergantino

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by haujobb, Dec 4, 2005.


  1. Eden 410XLT

    6 vote(s)
    10.9%
  2. Schroeder 1210

    12 vote(s)
    21.8%
  3. Bergantino NV610

    33 vote(s)
    60.0%
  4. Other

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%
  1. haujobb

    haujobb

    Dec 16, 2004
    Wallaceburg
    Which cab would you of these three and why? Or if you have any other suggestions, feel free to post them.

    I'm leaning towards the berg because it is sealed and people have said it is comparable tone-wise to an SVT810.
     
  2. Fretless5verfan

    Fretless5verfan Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2002
    Philadelphia
    If you want a (good) SVT-ish sound i think the berg is the only choice. The other two cabs aren't likely to give you an SVT style sound, though they'll sound cool in thier own way. Hopefully joker and tom will step in here, but i think they say the schroeders remind them of the Eden 410, but smoother and more refined.
     
  3. Dan Knowlton

    Dan Knowlton Out of my mind, back in 5 minutes! Supporting Member

    My vote is for the Berg - IMHO it blows the edens into the weeds! Never heard a Schroeder, though.

    BTW - I sold my Epifani 2x12 and bought the Berg.

    Dan K.
     
  4. Larry Kaye

    Larry Kaye Retailer: Schroeder Cabinets

    Mar 23, 2000
    Cleveland, OH
    What head or preamp/amp combo will you be using?
    Style of music you play....size of band...size of typical venue and the acoustics?
    Are you only trying to accomplish getting an SVT cabinet sound?
    What bass are you using....4 or 5 string, and make.
    Current rig speaker wise? What is it and what's "wrong" with it?
    What's important to you....stage volume, venue volume, clean/dirty bass, projection, do you have PA support....what do the other guys in the band use for amps...how loud are they....how loud is your drummer?

    2 things...

    Number one.....the three cabinets are totally different animals....not only in tone, but size, volume per size, weight, and a little in price, # of speakers (2,4,or 6). I own the 1210 (and a 410 schroeder) and have owned an XLT210, and SVT cabinets in my past, but not the Bergie, but I've heard nothing but good things about the Bergie as a great old school, before use of tweeters, replica, with much better speakers and engineering, yet in a lesser sized and weighted (not a lightweight mind you, but lighter than an SVT) cab.

    Number 2, even though I recommend you try as much as you can, if the only thing you're after is an SVT clone sound cabinet, I'd wouldn't do much shopping, the Bergie is probably the best choice, but you may find that if you're open to other sounding cabinets and if so, I'd be glad to chime in more ... just please answer the above so we can understand a little better your motivation and circumstances first if you don't mind a little more writing.

    Have a good one.

    Lkaye
     
  5. I don't really think that the schroeder 1210 and the Berg can be compared... they are different size cabs for different tones. If the schroeder could get as loud as the Berg, then maybe they could be compared, but then who would take a 610 over a 1210 if they were equally loud...

    compare two schroeder 1210s to the 610 - thats a bit more realistic.

    I don't think the EDEN is even a consideration next to the other two cabs
     
  6. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    Hawaii
    Schroeder = win
    Bergantino= win
    and Edens certainly don't blow either :cool:
     
  7. jja412

    jja412 Fine gear enthusiast

    Feb 2, 2004
    St. Louis
    I own both an Eden 410 XLT and a Schroeder 1210.

    I love both. They have different sounds to them, but no sonic characteristics that I consider bad or poor. I use them both (Eden in the practice space/large gigs / the amazing portable Schroeder for smaller situations.) They both fit the bill quite well and sound great with a Thunderfunk.

    Eden might not be anyone's flavor of the month right now, but they are still GREAT cabinets. And because of the popularity of other cabs on these boards, you can sometimes get them for incredible prices. Keep your eyes peeled.

    I won't go as far as recommending one : don't know anything about your preferences in tone, setup, etc...

    I cannot comment on the Berg as I've never heard one.
     
  8. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    +1 all around. See, Larry and I do occassionally agree! :D
     
  9. haujobb

    haujobb

    Dec 16, 2004
    Wallaceburg
    Right now I'm using a Yorkville 400B, but I will probably soon move back into a pre/power setup with a Sansamp, haven't decided on a power amp yet.

    I'm playing hard rock and heavy metal (Band covers SOAD, Mudvayne, Tool), in a 5 piece band, at a typical venue I get to run through PA, but occasionally I'm on my own.

    My current rig is the Yorkville and a Steel Sound 210, it's a good rig, it's just barely big enough to do a show with PA support and I find it just sounds too boomy for my liking.

    Tone wise, I really like the tone of SVT810 cabinets, regardless of amp I've used with them to date. They just sound big, I can't think of another word to describe it. I want to have a fairly clean tone, but occasionally want to be able to throw a little overdrive in the mix.

    Volume wise, I don't need much more than I have now for most shows, but occasionally when I do a show without PA support I'm going to need to be able to compete. Most of these shows will just be small halls luckily. One guitarist is using a Peavey Wiggy stack with an open back 2x12, the other is using a Fender 1x12 combo until he can afford something bigger. The biggest problem is my drummer, he has a big kit, he hits hard, and he uses electronic triggers.
     
  10. Chef

    Chef Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    I hardly think Schro 1210 vs NV610 is fair.
    Change that to Schro 21012 vs NV610 and I'll bite.
    The 1210 vs eden 410xlt is gonna be real close.
    A schro 410 or 21012 vs the 410xlt is no contest.
     
  11. haujobb

    haujobb

    Dec 16, 2004
    Wallaceburg
    My intentions, if I were to get the 1210, would be to buy a second later.

    I like the weight of the 1210, it's the tone I'm unsure of :meh:
     
  12. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    It sounds to me like the NV610 might be your ticket.

    Tom.
     
  13. Chef

    Chef Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    I'd have to concur with Tom, maybe...

    I'm a rabid schroeder user, but svt810 is not their sound. It could be eq'd in, but it's not their natural state. NV610, or maybe 215 might be a good choice for you...but, you really ought to find somewhere to audition schroeder stuff with your head and bass...
     
  14. haujobb

    haujobb

    Dec 16, 2004
    Wallaceburg
    I'm going to audition both cabs as soon as I've got all the money together. There is a store in Guelph, on that stocks the schroeders so I'm going to stop in there on my way to Toronto to try the Berg. Whichever one I like more will come home with me :D
     
  15. Chef

    Chef Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    Sounds like fun:)
     
  16. haujobb

    haujobb

    Dec 16, 2004
    Wallaceburg
    Except I'll probably want both :)

    What I can't figure out, is that the Berg only costs $1299 CAD while music stores around here are trying to charge $1349 CAD for the Ampeg. I assume that it just because with a Berg your not paying a premium for the name.
     
  17. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    I believe this to be the case. IMHO, the Bergantino is a far superior cab, and a lot of cab for the money.

    Tom.
     
  18. haujobb

    haujobb

    Dec 16, 2004
    Wallaceburg
    If it sounds even half as good as it looks, I'll be taking it home.

    Can anyone comment on how easy it is to move that cab?
     
  19. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    I have the NV215, which is the same box, and it is surprisingly easy to move around and negotiate. The wheels really help.

    Tom.
     
  20. I've said it many times.
    The NV cabs are the easiest 'big' type cab I've ever moved.
    Well thought out.