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Eden wt-800 + 210xlt & 115xlt loud enough?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by popawheelie, Apr 17, 2004.


  1. popawheelie

    popawheelie

    Apr 14, 2004
    I'm thinking about getting this set up. Will it be loud enough to compete with 2 marshall set ups that play very loud? I know a 410xlt would be a better match, but I like the portability of the 210xlt. Just for a point of reference. I'm using a Mesa 400+ with a 8x10 and it is loud enough. However it is not mine thus I need to buy my own rig.
     
  2. Trevorus

    Trevorus

    Oct 18, 2002
    Urbana, IL
    Yeah, if you EQ properly, you ought to be able to cut through pretty well. If not, the guitars are probably too loud anyways.
     
  3. neptoon

    neptoon

    Jul 25, 2000
    summerville, sc
    i would spring for the 410xlt...it doesn't take up all that much more space, though your back is going to hate you....with the 800, you'll probably have to push it to keep up with 2 marshall rigs...give your eq curve lots of mids and you should be able to cut through
     
  4. It's hard to compete with two deaf guitarists playing through Marshall stacks. Bass simply needs a lot more power to attain the same perceived volume as a guitar.

    I don't think that you would experience much difference in volume between using a D210XLT and D115XLT compared to one D410XLT. In fact, some people seem to think that the D115XLT actually provides better cut in a band situation than the 10s.

    To really compete in overall loudness with two cranked Marshall stacks you would probably need two 8x10" cabinets and about 2400W....

    Good Luck (and make sure you wear ear protection!)
     
  5. Woodboy

    Woodboy

    Jun 9, 2003
    St. Louis, MO
    check out the Eden WT-550. It is a mono amp that has more power into 4 ohms than the WT-800. Plus, it will drive a 2 ohm load. I am driving a 210XLT now and plan to add either another 210XLT or a 115XLT in the near future. The 550 sounds noticably different (and better, IMO) than the WT-400.
     
  6. Fred312b

    Fred312b What if I want to play jazz precisely? Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Chicago, IL
    you can bridge the wt-800 and get the whole 800 watts into 4 ohms (it sez 8 but guys on here have used 4 with no problems). i'd think that'd be loud enough, but i'd have to second the getting a 410xlt. i've got a 4x10 on a 1x15 stack and there's nothing like getting smacked in the face with bass! you'll be a lot closer to ear level, so that'll help you be heard better, plus it looks cooler ;)
     
  7. adam on bass

    adam on bass Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2002
    New Braunfels, Texas
    Endorsing Artist: Spector, GK, EMG and D'Addario
    400watts x 2 is plenty to cut with the right EQ settings. I play with the loudest, deafest guitar player in the world and I have the WT800 and 2 D410XLT's and I have plenty of headroom to be a lot louder with this setup.

    Go for the 410, it's not that much heavier.
     
  8. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Bad idea. But you can get 800 watts with one four-ohm cab on each channel.
     
  9. Saetia

    Saetia

    Mar 27, 2003
    Wisconsin
    I would think you would have no problem keeping up with the two half stacks, you actually would have a little more speaker area then a 410.
    Peace
    -Ben
     
  10. Woodboy

    Woodboy

    Jun 9, 2003
    St. Louis, MO
    I agree that a 210/115 should work perfectly. That is the Eden system I am assembling right now. However, Saetia, if I read your post correctly, I think your math is incorrect about the 210/115 having more speaker area than a 410. If you multiply Pi by the diameter, you get the square inches of the circle you are measuring. 4-10" speakers have 125.6 sq.in. 2-10" speakers and 1-15" speaker have 109.9 sq.in. By contrast, 2-12" speakers have 75.4 sq.in. Lots of guys swear by the 212 configuration. If the 212's will do it, then the 210/115 should do it even better!
     
  11. adam on bass

    adam on bass Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2002
    New Braunfels, Texas
    Endorsing Artist: Spector, GK, EMG and D'Addario
    Bump. I didn't know anyone besides myself used math anymore.
     
  12. Saetia

    Saetia

    Mar 27, 2003
    Wisconsin
    Actually Woodboy my math is right, yours is wrong. The area of a cirle is Pi*radius squared. So for a 410 you take the radius being (5) *5=25, then you take 25*3.14159= 78.5, A=78.5 in.sq. 78.5*4= 314, A=314 in.sq. A 210 would be half the area of the 410 = 157 in.sq. You then take (7.5)*7.5= 56.25, 56.25*3.14159= 176.62, A=176.62 in.sq. which is the area of a 15" speaker. Then you take 157+176.62= 333.62 in.sq. A 15" speaker as more area then a cab containing 2 10" drivers. Therefore the 210/115 set up has more cone area. Also a 212 set up has an area of 226.08 in.sq. You gave the mathmatical equation for circumference, being Pi*D (diameter) which would be straight inches not inches squared. Yes a 410 set up has more circumference but that doesn't mean anything when it comes to how much air a speaker can push. Right now I'm running an Eden D410T and Eden D215XLT set up which has more cone area then an 810 set up (810: A=628 in.sq. and my 410/215 set up A=667.25 in.sq.)
    Peace
    -Ben

    EDIT: and if you still believe I'm wrong check the math with these formulas on this site. Click here
     
  13. Woodboy

    Woodboy

    Jun 9, 2003
    St. Louis, MO
    I should have checked with my 13 year old son about the math. Where can I get a piece of humble pie?
     
  14. I think you're gonna be disappointed using a 2x10-1x15 with 2 Marshall stacks. If you're using an 8x10 and 400 tube watts now then you'd better get at least that much.
     
  15. bassic1959

    bassic1959

    Jan 16, 2003
    Hi,

    I currently use an Eden 210XLT on top of a 115XLT. It sounds great. I am using an Ampeg SVP-Pro and RMX1450 to Power it though. I set the power amp at 5 and adjust my levels at the pre so I am using nowhere near the 1400 watts available. I would think 800 watts would be plenty. It cuts through nice and will definitely rumble. I use this with 2 different bands, 1 with 2 guitarists and another with 1 loud guitar and keyboards. I don't want to lift a 100+ pound 410.

    Good luck with your decision. Hope this helps.
     
  16. adam on bass

    adam on bass Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2002
    New Braunfels, Texas
    Endorsing Artist: Spector, GK, EMG and D'Addario
    it's all about EQ. i have my power section set at 9 o'clock and the preamp set at 12 o'clock. my guitar player runs stereo with 300 watts blasting right at me and I(we) can hear my rig clear as a bell all night long. not to mention our drummer wails on his whole kit like if he doesn't hit it as hard as he can something is wrong.
     
  17. Saetia

    Saetia

    Mar 27, 2003
    Wisconsin
    For quite some time I got by with a 212(before I moved to Eden gear) set up against two half stacks with 120 watt 5150 II's (tube). I was pushing enough through my MM HD-212, I later added another 12 to the set up and had no problem at all, I don't see why you would have a problem with a 210/115 set up. The 210 will be closer to ear level sitting on top of the 115, and have good mid range punch. A plus is that these cabs are pretty efficient @ 103db. Demo that set up before you buy it and compare it to what you already have. I would suggest trying the 410xlt, and the 215xlt out as well, both amazing cabinates that do great as stand alones.

    Peace
    -Ben