Electro-Voice ZLX vs ELX200 vs EKX

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by pfschim, May 28, 2019.

  1. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    After staying away from owning any PA gear, I am considering putting together a decent basic system. I have used several digital boards (Behringer X16, Soundcraft Ui16 and Mackie DL16) so I am somewhat familiar with boards, but not an expert by any means.

    But I'm here to ask about mains/subs, specifically about EV gear. I have a good inside deal opportunity with EV gear and am wondering what your opinion on the ZLX, ELX200 and EKX brand lines are. I did run an EKX based small system (12" 2 way mains and a 15" Sub) a few years ago and was pretty impressed.

    I can either go low end of the product range: 2 x ZLX12P + EXL12SP (sub) or ......
    I can go mid range with: 2 x EKX12P + EKX15SP

    I'd save some $$ with the ZLX/ELX system, but the EKX is still in my budget.

    I'm aware of QSC and JBL PRX gear but have no inside deal opportunity. My PA needs have been covered reasonably well with a borrowed Alto (12" mains) + Behringer 18" sub, so I feel like the EV gear would be a definite step up from that.


    So TB Live Sound forum, what advice can you offer here about the various levels of EV gear, ZLX, ELX200, EKX (and ETX for that matter, but I think thats out of my budget even with my inside deal).
     
  2. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011
    You really just need to do a cost benefit analysis. The EKX is superior, but is it worth the extra scratch?

    Here are a few datapoints I would consider.

    ZLX12P Max SPL 126dB with F3 at 65Hz
    EKX12P Max SPL 132dB with F3 at 60Hz

    6dB is a pretty significant difference, but do you need 132dB?

    ELX200SP Max SPL 129dB with F3 at 49Hz and F10 at 41Hz (Edited for accuracy)
    EKX15SP Max SPL 133dB with F3 at 45Hz and F10 at 40Hz


    I attached the Datasheets for each product for your convenience.
     

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  3. kringle77

    kringle77 Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Massena NY
    Isn't the f3 of the elx200-12sp -3db at 49hz? I mean thats not impressive but, 4 of them could have real punch for a rock band, all going direct.
     
  4. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    I'm trying to keep it to 2 mains and 1 sub. I don't have huge volume needs for this possible system, most gigs I do there is already a PA provided by the BL, or a venue backline. This would be for the odd situation where I am currently borrowing someone else's PA (maybe 4-6 per year) usually for a medium volume jazz/fusion/world music originals band (no vocals).

    I'm looking for balance between the high and low end of the price/performance range.
     
  5. kringle77

    kringle77 Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Massena NY
    No matter which subs Ive used, Ive always preffered coupling mutiple cabs. At any volume they just sound better. More focused and punchy. Thats why Im considering going with 4 of the newer ev elx200-sp12's. I know they are looked down on because they roll off pretty high but, my favorite subs for rock bands were my mackie s410s subs. So tight, focused, quick. Im hoping to get a sinilar effect with some smaller cabs. Love my carvin trx3010a 2x10 sub, just wish I had 3 more.
     
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  6. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011

    Oops, you're correct. I must have got crossed up info while switching between the four data sheets. I edited my OP to make corrections and remove inaccurate advice generated by the mistake.
     
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  7. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011
    If a pair of ZLX12Ps are loud enough, but you only want one sub, you might consider upgrading the sub beyond the ELX200SP. IMHO the ZLX12P and ELX200SP should be matched 1 for 1.

    If you want to stay within the same series:

    ELX200-18SP Max SPL is 132dB with F3 at 47Hz and F10 at 40Hz. Data sheet attached.

    You don't get a lot more low end extension, but you get 3 more dB of headroom.

    Or you could mix series and use an EKX15SP with a pair of ZLX12Ps.
     

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  8. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    thanks for the input.
    yes, I have been thinking of that combination .. EKX15SP + 2 x ZLX12P's ... the tops would be plenty loud and the sub seems pretty capable.
     
  9. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011
    Download the user manuals for both and I believe you will see the DSP settings are compatible across both lines.
     
  10. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    :thumbsup:
     
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  11. mikewalker

    mikewalker Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2017
    Canada, Eh!
    With the EV you definitely get what you pay for - I would spring for the higher-end ones
     
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  12. jcerio

    jcerio

    Jul 27, 2006
    Syracuse, NY
    I currently own 2 QSC K12s and 2 KSubs. Pricey? Yes. Do I regret it? Not in the least. Buy the higher end stuff. It's worth it. Your audience will thank you.
     
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  13. Heisenbass

    Heisenbass Supporting Member

    Jan 19, 2014
    Berlin, Germany
    I recently saw a band at a 300 people venue using two tiny Yamaha BXR12 + sub. Don’t know the actual specs but they definitely rocked the house. Was pretty much impressed. No affiliation with Yamaha, I actually run my bass through a ZLX 15P, but you might want to add these to your list.
     
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  14. omie

    omie

    Apr 5, 2011
    Arizona
    I bought 2 -ZLX12Ps and a EKX 18SP on a budget and figured that worst case scenario I could migrate the 12ps to stage monitors if they were lacking. They sound fantastic and benefit from low end sub help as they will break up in full range at loud volumes. They are clear, warm and great sounding. I LOVE the EKX18 and the single sub will out perform both ZLXs... but that's A LOT of outdoor volume.

    If you can afford more, get more. If money is tight the ZLXs are a nice sounding budget speaker, especially when you have sub support.
     
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  15. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    yeah, sure, but as I explained in my OP, I don't have any insider deal available for QSC gear and I do have one for EV gear.
    I believe that the upper end of the EV lines ... EXK and ETX, competes/compares very well with the QSC stuff. I'm not really considering the ETX top of the EV line, but I am looking hard at the EKX line.

    You are listing older QSC (K2 vs K2.2) boxes anyway. I believe I have read that the older K2 boxes have been surpassed by any number of other manufacturers as far as specs and performance. I don't doubt the quality of the QSC gear, its just pretty much out of my price/budget.

    For bass gear I am very comfortable buying used as I know from long experience how to check bass amps and cabs out to make sure they are in good working order and have not been blown out. With PA gear, I do not have the same experience/comfort level. How does everyone feel about used PA gear ?
     
  16. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    so, if you were me, would you be looking hard at 2 mains and 2 subs ? say, like a 2 x ELX200-12P's + 2 ELX200SP12's .. so 2 each on each side ?
     
  17. PraiseBassing

    PraiseBassing Supporting Member

    Mar 6, 2017
    California
    Either way, go with at least the EKX15! I have two ELX200-18S's, and the resonant peak at 80Hz is audible and obvious! Below the 5th fret on the E string, you can hear the output lowering as you walk down. It really is that obvious. The EKX are slightly flatter and have better low end extension. I am confident that even the EKX-15 will be better all around than either of the ELX200's.
     
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  18. PraiseBassing

    PraiseBassing Supporting Member

    Mar 6, 2017
    California
    One on each side is a bad idea. If you are going to have multiple subs, arraying them in one spot creates even coverage. Having them separated will create uneven summation and cancellation throughout the room. You'll have spots where you will hear no bass and spots where the bass is too loud.
     
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  19. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    right now, just considering EV gear, I'm looking hard at either:
    2 x ELX200-12P + 1 EXK15SP .. which are comfortably in my budget

    or, stretch the $$ just a bit and go with:

    2 x EKX12P + 1 EKX15SP
     
  20. PraiseBassing

    PraiseBassing Supporting Member

    Mar 6, 2017
    California
    Either of those setups should be good. The ZLX-12P is a great performer. Stepping up to the ELX should sound better. I believe the low end isn't as "peaky". They won't try to bring the boom. Going from ELX to EKX upgrades to a wood cabinet which ads 7 pounds and you get a little more potential output.

    If it was me, I would decide if I want wood or not and pick the cabinet that fits.
     
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