EMG DC Series vs Active P/J soundclips?

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by tuBass, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    Trying to decide on what pickup to drop into my C5. I played a gig today with the HZ pickups, and wasn't thrilled with what I heard. No body, no core to the sound

    I have a yamaha with DC pickups in it, and I think they sound great, but maybe just a little modern sounding for classic rock. I'd like to hear some sound clips of a 40J combined with a 40P (or a 35, doesn't matter) so I can compare them to my DC bass.

    I found a guy on uses a pick and it's hard to get a feeling of how the bass would sound with fingers.

    I wish I knew somebody in the dallas area that played a P/J emg so I could compare it to my yamaha and the C5 with the HZ's
     
  2. FunkMetalBass

    FunkMetalBass

    Aug 5, 2005
    Phoenix, Arizona 85029
    Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses
    I have the TW/P combination in my Spector and I can record some clips tomorrow evening when I'm back in town. Any particular clips or settings you'd like to hear?
     
  3. tylerwylie

    tylerwylie

    Jan 5, 2008
    Dunwoody, GA
    If you go with active EMGs I would recommend the X series. I went from the TW to the TWX and the difference is outstanding. Also the TWX single coil mode doesn't suffer from the big volume drop that the TW experiences when in single coil mode. I wouldn't be surprised if the X series becomes the standard EMG pickup.

    DCX will be very aggressive and with a lot of top end. CSX and TWX are more of a natural 'warmer' tone. The JX and PX have a lot of bite, but the P is wired in parallel so it's a bit different from a regular P. If you're going without another onboard preamp I'd recommend getting the ABCX blend control to handle the insertion loss. If you have a preamp already on your bass that you will use, you'll be good to go.
     
  4. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas

    I must be behind on the times. I'm not familiar with the TW series at all. What would you say are the defining characteristics of it, and what caused you to go in that direction?

    I'd love to hear clips. Something fingerstyle, typical old school rock and roll. Flat EQ, thanks a ton
     
  5. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    like I told funkmetal, I'm not familiar with the TW or TWX series, but you two have me interested.

    As far as an ew goes, for now I'm planning on just using the quick connects to drop the in the schecter as is, which is wired Volume/blend/Low EQ/ High EQ.

    My yamaha is V/V/T, so it's taken a bit to get used to a blend knob.
     
  6. FunkMetalBass

    FunkMetalBass

    Aug 5, 2005
    Phoenix, Arizona 85029
    Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses
    I believe it's the other way around - a boost in the jazz pickup mode. At least, that's what it sounds like to my ears when I switch into that mode. Still, it's an easy fix with a trimpot wired up to the switch.

    The TW series is their typical CS (ceramic and steel) parallel humbucker (much warmer than the DC), but it has a switching option to allow for isolation of the rear coil and a dummy coil, so it's effectively a noiseless single like a jazz bass.

    I got it because I have the DCs in another bass (my aggressive Schecter Studio) and I wanted something for warmer, P/J tones. I also like switching abilities, so I coupled the EMG TW (bridge) and EMG P (neck) with an Aguilar OBP-3.

    I'll try to get some clips up for you tonight. I can't guarantee totally flat EQ because I don't have a preamp bypass option, but I can set the Aguilar EQ flat to give you a pretty good idea of the sound without any coloration.
     
  7. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    thanks. I played the Hz's at church today, and I liked the smoother sound of them compared to the DC's that I'm used to using, but they thinned out above the D string, especially in 1st position. I had everything in the middle of the neck to have any body at all, and I'm not used to that.
     
  8. tylerwylie

    tylerwylie

    Jan 5, 2008
    Dunwoody, GA
    It is much more likely that there is some modification to yours that makes it that way then, all the better!

    Still going to say this: X series for the win.
     
  9. FunkMetalBass

    FunkMetalBass

    Aug 5, 2005
    Phoenix, Arizona 85029
    Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses
    Truth be told, I actually had a tech wire it because there's very little room in my Spector's control cavity for all of the stuff I have in it. I gave him the same schematics that came with the TW, so either he wired my switch up backwards from what I expected, or there's an issue with my pickup. Either way, I like the slightly beefier solo tone I get when I put it into (what I call) "J" mode. :)



    OP: Here is a link with various sound clips from the pickups. EQ kept flat on all except one. I tried to improvise something that is along the lines of classic rock/metal. Please ignore the sloppiness.
    https://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BreFlkNmNPSHcwTWRVag

    I now realize that I need to adjust my pickup height and get a new B and E-string. Mine are deader than I'd like them to be.
     
  10. tylerwylie

    tylerwylie

    Jan 5, 2008
    Dunwoody, GA
    And I see you have the same preamp as me too. Good choice! ;) I'm running the dual 45TWX though, with Volume/Volume instead of Volume/Blend. I am also very tempted to place an order with SGD-Lutherie for a set of his ND-3's.
     
  11. tylerwylie

    tylerwylie

    Jan 5, 2008
    Dunwoody, GA
    Also: Swapping out the TW for the TWX was painless, since they use the same connector on the pickup. I just unplugged old ones, plugged in new ones and away I went.
     
  12. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    if I have passive HZ pickups, do I need to swap out the pots, connectors, and wires to move to the actives? I was hoping all I had to do was disconnect the HZ's and connect the actives.
     
  13. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    thanks for the clips! very helpful
     
  14. MontzterMash

    MontzterMash Supporting Member

    Dec 6, 2010
  15. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    thanks for those links. I posted says ago on the TB link, because I couldn't get any of the soundclips to work. If there's a secret to making them play, somebody let me know.


    I've seen the youtube one because he plays the same bass as mine, but the way he uses a pick really alters the tone, so it's hard to tell how helpful they are.

    I'll have to go in again as see if he recorded a video with the HZ's a baseline (no pun intended)
     
  16. FunkMetalBass

    FunkMetalBass

    Aug 5, 2005
    Phoenix, Arizona 85029
    Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses
    I love the OBP-3. I have it in 4 of my 5 active basses. I too set my Spector up with vol/vol. As well, I have a GFS Modboard tremolo in the Spector. When I handed the tech all of the electronics and asked him to install it all, he said "**** it's like trying to build a ship in a bottle."

    I'm still not convinced I can't get a second 9V battery in there, though. Hmm...
     
  17. tylerwylie

    tylerwylie

    Jan 5, 2008
    Dunwoody, GA
    You would need different pots for the active pickups, however I am not sure if any soldering would be needed since you can utilize EMG's Quick Connect cables and pots.
     
  18. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    I wasn't sure if the cables were different between the active and passive pickups

    thanks
     
  19. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    The active and passive EMGs use different cables and pots. The active pickups have a three pin connector, and the passive HZ pickups have a 5 pin connector. The are not compatible.
     
  20. tuBass

    tuBass

    Dec 14, 2002
    Mesquite, Texas
    well that's a shame. I do see on your website that you sell the passive connectors. I could use your pickups with the connectors and it would be plug and play, correct?