End of life choice - mental or physical health?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by hbarcat, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    Suppose you were 70 years old and were in great physical and mental health, and you knew that you had a good chance to live to about the age of 90 of so.

    If you were then forced (hypothetically, of course) to choose between losing your mental abilities and living with a healthy body or losing your physical abilities and living with a healthy mind, which would you choose? The choice would be for the remainder of your life.

    And why would you choose that?
     
  2. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    I expect to become somewhat weaker with old age. That doesn't bother me so much. But losing my mental abilities is like the loss of self. I would rather die.
     
  3. What kind of a F'n choice is that! :D

    Either way you would be a total burden on somebody. The only difference is in the first choice you wouldn't know about it. Point is, if that's my only two choices it's less about me and more about the loved ones around me who would have to take care of me.

    I want to die in my sleep with my passengers screaming.
     
  4. rcarraher

    rcarraher

    Dec 21, 2008
    I'm only 54, which isn't considered that old, but over the last few years I have learned to deal with physical problems caused by a genetic disease. I've gone from a pretty active, and one time competitive long distance runner, to "I can get out of my own way". My vision is nearly totally gone, legally blind, can't drive and won't be able to do my work for much longer even with the help of computers. I can live with that and learn to compensate, but please leave my mental facilties alone.
     
  5. TOOL460002

    TOOL460002

    Nov 4, 2004
    Santa Cruz
    i was about to weigh in on this, but i dont think i can top that. i will certainly be stealing it for future use. so: ditto.
     
  6. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    This is the commentary I'm looking for.

    I assume you are resigned to the fact that you are no longer going to be physically healthy but you would much prefer that than to be physically running around but mentally unsound.
     
  7. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois

    I agree with this, but I'm looking at modern reality - you can't just die.

    When you are living in a nursing home you don't really have a choice.
     
  8. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    Exactly. I could live with not being able to walk, or not being able to see. I wouldn't like it, but I could learn to cope. But without the ability to carry on a decent conversation or communicate or even think coherently? That doesn't sound like a life I would find tolerable.
     
  9. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    If it comes to it, I will find a way.
     
  10. rcarraher

    rcarraher

    Dec 21, 2008
    Thats it in a nut shell, in ways I am finding it mentaly stimulating in learning how to deal with the physical side effects. For instance, I am actually enjoying learning braile. Although, listening to books will take some doing, I find it another outlet of enjoyment just different than the enjoyment of reading. I'm kind of lookig forward to reading some books I've read before in braile. I also find that the physical things I am still able to do, I do smarter (like making one trip up the stairs to empty the waste can in the upstairs bathrooms), and that is strangely gratifyin that I "out" thunk the damn thing.

    If the mind goes, I want to go with it, not to offend anyone.
     
  11. rcarraher

    rcarraher

    Dec 21, 2008
    You and me both, brother!
     
  12. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    +11
     
  13. TOOL460002

    TOOL460002

    Nov 4, 2004
    Santa Cruz
    oh, in that case, then i vote for mental faculties, with the caveat that i am physically able to play music.

    at 25 ive already sustained a permanent injury that has made some of the things i once did impossible, and some of the things i still do much more difficult. id rather end up in a wheelchair on all kinds of medications enjoying family gatherings and whatnot instead of not knowing whats going on. i think losing ones mental faculties would be much more emotionally and monetarily taxing on others than a physical disability, provided it is not so extreme that you are on life-support in a hospital or something.
     
  14. NJL

    NJL

    Apr 12, 2002
    San Antonio
    jerk!! LOL hahaha :D i was trying to go to sleep and you made me laugh so hard that now i'm wide awake.
     
  15. LilRay

    LilRay Commercial User

    Dec 27, 2007
    Between my Roscoe and Leather
    Owner: Cockeyed Cow Custom Leathercraft
    Definately physical health. If I lose mental faculties and I'm loading my pants, I won't care.:D:D If I lose mental health I won't know or care when I lose physical health.;)

    I've been hell thus far in my life on the world, having a physical disability.:) Might as well go out with a Bang and lose my mind too.:smug::D:D:smug:

    God Bless, Ray
     
  16. JovialEvil

    JovialEvil

    Jul 23, 2009
    San diego, Ca.
    I have lost 75% of my physical abilities already and am in constant pain. I would take the loss of mental capacity, that way you don't know what you are missing.
     
  17. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois


    I know from my experience working in the health care field that any person who is self consenting may refuse any medical treatment. This includes any treatment that would prolong life such as medication that treats any life threatening disease.

    For example: If I had diabetes, I could refuse insulin, and even if the result was that I would die within a week I would have the right to do so.

    Similarly, if I had congestive heart failure and a history of 3 heart attacks, I could refuse the medication to treat these symptoms and there is no legal authority to make me take medication or undergo any treatment that may prolong my life.



    The fact is: most people well past the age of retirement are dependent on a strict regimen of medication to keep themselves alive, and deciding to abstain from using such medication means they can die on their own terms.
     
  18. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois



    Maybe that's hard on others, but what about yourself? What would you like for yourself, assuming you had to live with yourself for a couple of decades?
     
  19. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois


    You are the only one to weigh in on this side so far. I would assume the "constant pain" has a lot to do with your opinion.


    Can you still play bass? Play music at all? What about your future?
     
  20. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois

    I have no idea what to say to that.