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Envelope Filter Roundup.

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Bigfeet, Oct 25, 2001.


  1. I've noticed in my search for the perfect envelope filter that there are like 500 different companies out there that make envelope filters. I'd like to know which ones you've all tried out and/or own that work well.

    So far I've played through:
    Boss Bass Synth
    Boss AW-3
    EH Bass Micro Synth
    EH Q-tron and Q-tron+
    Lovetone Meatball
    EH Mini Q-tron
    DOD Envelope filter extreme
    Electrix Filter Factory
    EH Bassballs
    Morely Bass Wah
    Jim Dunlop Bass Wah
    Mutron3+
    Mutronics Mutator
    Sherman Filter Bank
    Line 6 FM-4
    Mooger Fooger Lowpass Filter
     
  2. 6-stringer

    6-stringer Guest

    Feb 5, 2000
    Roanoke,VA
    The Meatball takes it! Just wish i could float the $ for one. Bigfeet, what was your experience with the mutator?
     
  3. I was in California a year ago and I was bored so I stopped at this music store I forget the name and there was a used Mutator there, I asked to try it out. The Mutator was a cool filter it had a sound like the Electrix filter factory but it was more tweakable. The stereo function was very cool when they plugged it into the two amps. It was simple and easy to use all the knobs were tell all you basically didn't need any instructions. It made great synth sounds with it's LFO kicked in fast on one side and the other filter steady set slow, but it lacked the craziness or the Lovetone Meatball.

    I'd rather have the Meatball.
     
  4. KPO2000

    KPO2000 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 5, 2001
    MA
    Hey BF, I see that the search continues...with no end in sight. ;) Now you are taking the "reach critical mass" and narrow down the pool approach. Good idea. I'm no expert, but I've tried some of those that you have listed and would recommend the following but put them in different categories. It really depends on your budget and how you intend to use it. I go more for the old skool funky tone.

    I have experience with
    Boss Bass Synth
    EH Q-tron and Q-tron+
    Lovetone Meatball
    EH Bassballs
    Mutron3+

    BTW, you forgot

    The ORIGINAL Mu-Tron III (shame on you!)
    Mu-Tron Micro V
    Beigel Sound Labs Control Filter
    Maestro/Oberheim Filter/Sample/Hold
    Ibanez AF201/ AF9

    I now only have two: a Meatball and Ibanez AF201 and am pretty happy....for now.

    Good luck!
     
  5. KPO2000

    KPO2000 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 5, 2001
    MA
    :cool: What store in CA?
     
  6. I don't remember the name but it was in San Francisco (I don't think that will narrow it down for you), but that was over a year ago I doubt if it's still there.

    I am still looking for that perfect envelope filter, I'm actually thinking of getting one custom mad. {It WiLl HaVe FiVe HuNdReD KnObS, aNd TaKe Up A wHoLe FlOoR. Muhahaahaha}
     
  7. KB

    KB

    Jan 13, 2000
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Don't forget the EBS BassIQ. I have one and I really love it.

    -KB
     
  8. They already made one of those BF....it's called a Sherman filter bank. It's pretty much an studio-industry standard. http://www.sherman.be/
    Ok, maybe not the whole floor but that thing looks crazy....

    Where's the:
    Menatone Mailbomb
    Chunk systems Agent 00Funk
    Frostwave funk-a-duck
    Guyatone Br-2 +Flip Funky box
    Peavey Spectrum analog filter
    Boss T-wah
    MXR EV follower

    Keep in mind that some of these fantastic looking filters are USELESS for bass guitar, especially in a live context. Allot of them are meant more for studio work with samplers, drum machines and the like with the useable bass guitar range being quite tiny and elusive; the Frostwave for example. With so many parameters to deal with you could end up with a blown speaker or just no sound coming from the unit at all. Sometimes the simpler boxes can be better. I tried very hard to make some of these fancy boxes work in a live context, spending gobs of cash in the process. In the end, it's my original Mutron III that won out over ALL of them. It's consistency of tone and wet, greasy character puts all the others to shame. You know why? Because bass frequencies pack a whole lot o' sonic power ('natch) and the filters do not always respond to this well. You want a filter (like the old 'Tron) that is LESS sensitive in the bass-range. What you will end up with is a more even tone and much happier speaker cones.....
     
  9. I own a moogerfooger low pass filter. This thing can make some great liquidy sounds. It is very customizable and very funky but so far i have a been a little less then impressed with the unit. First it is LOUD . lots of hiss whether in bypass or not. Also it is not true bypass and you can sometimes here the effect on when its in bypass mode. The hiss is the real problem here. It DOUBLES the noise from my amp when plugged in. I use an A/B bypass box to fix this problem but i think there is better filters out there for that kind of money (about 299 new... got mine for about 100 bucks :D )

    the coolest thing about it is dropping the cutoff down with the expression pedal for serious sub sounds... hope this wont damage my 4x10 :confused:
     
  10. I've already played trough one that belongs to a remixer freind of mine, very trippy I wish I had the money to buy one.
     
  11. Here's the one for you Bigfeet.....takes up the whole floor and darn near close to 500 knobs by my count (math was never my strong point!) Now, where the heck would you plug in...?


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  12. <b>HSOAS</b>...Heaven. I gues it has multiple I/Os.

    96 knobs
    12 buttons
    60 1/4 I/Os
    ...that I can see.
     
  13. Speaking of Evelope Filter's...

    ...MXR just came out with the M120 Auto Q
    (list $134).

    "...amazing little evelope fliter in extremely verstaile and provides lots of control. It's Range, Q, Rate, Band, and Decay controls let you deal in the exact wah sweep you want. It's Band switch selects the fequency ceiling where the effect will dominate.... 'superb sound quality.' "

    It so new, I'm sure no one has had a chance to test drive it yet.

    Looks similar to the new MXR M80 (!) Bass DI.
     
  14. [QUOTE
    "...amazing little evelope fliter in extremely verstaile and provides lots of control. It's Range, Q, Rate, Band, and Decay controls let you deal in the exact wah sweep you want. It's Band switch selects the fequency ceiling where the effect will dominate.... 'superb sound quality.' "

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    Hmmmmm....I'd try that! I found a picture on the musicians freind site.
     
  15. I'd like a controllable notch filter to get those great vowel sounds. The bass balls is a bit too simple for me.
     
  16. If you want a Flea envolope filter sound, go for the DOD Envelope Filter, they are cheap yet flexible.
     
  17. 6-stringer

    6-stringer Guest

    Feb 5, 2000
    Roanoke,VA
    Anyone thinking of buying a new filter should check out the line 6 FM4. For 300 bones you get them all.
    great model of the oberhiem vcf.
     


  18. Yah, in warm fuzzy digital. Brrr....
     
  19. 6-stringer

    6-stringer Guest

    Feb 5, 2000
    Roanoke,VA
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    Accually, It has a remarkably authentic feel. I was a sceptic untill I gave the thing a chance, and it does the job well. Sure, the very dicriminating ear could pick up that it's not the real deal. But, that's to be expected. All the models sounded pretty gooey to me, and i've been through a bunch of filters.
     
  20. yah, I tried it too and while some of the emulations sound darn close and all I just can't get past that "digital modeling" concept. What I love about filters is that big, fat, rippely analog thing and as close and as useable as these modeling boxes can be i just don't like 'em.