Epifani vs. Eden vs. Bergantino in the ULTIMATE G.A.S. SHOWDOWN!!

IanAllison

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I've played Edens for years - 410XLT, 210XLT, and a 210XST. But the other day I gave into my severe gas pains and TB raves and checked out all the Epifani cabs - a UL410, UL212, and UL610. I played em with my rig (a Universal Audio 6176 into a Stew 2.1), an Epifani 502, and an Aguilar DB750. And boy oh boy was I excited to drop thousands of bucks on some combination of these cabs and stick my old Edens up on Craigslist for a song.

And you know what . . .

I like my Edens just fine.

To me, the Epis sounded a little too lite and clean to me. I felt like they might just disappear onstage without a bunch of warm fuzzy tube gear driving a rack o' Crests sitting beside them! Now granted, I'm used to that Eden low mid push and grunt - and I play rock music mostly. I was just really excited to get into something new. No dice on the Epifani stuff.

So how about Bergantino? Well, I read the posts, called Jim, drank the cool-aid, marched down to my shop, found myself a minty fresh 322, dropped my thousand bucks on the table, hauled it to the space, plugged it in . . . aaaaaand . . .

I like my Edens just fine.

The Berg was great - I liked it quite a bit more than the Epi gear. But every time I'd plug back into the Eden, it just felt bigger somehow and certainly more like home. And the Bergie went back to the shop.

For me, this is undoubtedly a great thing and perhaps a sign or some kind of looming life-lesson that I desperately need to pay attention to. Far too often, I get gear crazy - read the posts, check out the websites, and build up this pillar of expectation regarding some new piece of gear. Sometimes my expectations are met and the pillar stands . . . and other times, like today, the pillar comes crashing down.

So this is a thread for those of you who feel the need to "upgrade" from whatever gear you have, but haven't yet . . . maybe your stuff is just fine. And my advice is to maybe learn a new tune, work on your walking, change your strings, or maybe take a bike ride. For me, learning to be satisfied with what I have is incredibly difficult, but ultimately, it's worth it.

Ian
 
Nothing wrong with Eden gear! However, your comments about thinking the Epifani gear would get lost in the mix is more my thinking on eden gear. I find their stuff to sound very scooped at times. My epifani gear has a wonderfull mid presence that cuts through with punchy goodness like I've never seen before!
 
I rather liked the Eden cut but the 410xlt I had was too much in most clubs, and the low end was hard to control. Vibrated lots of drinks right off the table. My Epi 410UL is proved to be perfect in clubs after 4 gigs. I have and have had several Berg cabs too. Most excellent product.

And you're are right. If your Eden gear is working for you and don't find other gear you've tried to be better why change.
I always like saving money. I do love to try gear though plus reading and commenting is a load of fun for me. Congrats Man.
 
I loved my Eden 210XLT's. They were all I used for over 10 years. Then one of 'em finally gave up the good fight. At the same time, I found myself gigging a lot with a LOUD R&B band (six horns, four singers, full rhythm). Hence the hunt for a 410 and my first experience with Epifani. If the A/B against the Eden didn't do it for me, the first gig certainly did. I'm now hook, line, and sinker deep into the brand. Pure, clean, and fat, with no boominess that I experienced with the Eden cabs. Factor in the light weight and it was a no-brainer.

I've not experienced Bergantino, but likely won't until the next time I'm in the market...hopefully not for another 10 years. :)
 
I loved my Eden 210XLT's. They were all I used for over 10 years. Then one of 'em finally gave up the good fight. At the same time, I found myself gigging a lot with a LOUD R&B band (six horns, four singers, full rhythm). Hence the hunt for a 410 and my first experience with Epifani. If the A/B against the Eden didn't do it for me, the first gig certainly did. I'm now hook, line, and sinker deep into the brand. Pure, clean, and fat, with no boominess that I experienced with the Eden cabs. Factor in the light weight and it was a no-brainer.

I've not experienced Bergantino, but likely won't until the next time I'm in the market...hopefully not for another 10 years. :)


This was exactly my experience a number of years ago. After playing my 210XLT for a number of years, with a few other cabs in between, I discovered the EpiUL line... tight, punchy, articulate, loud, and a fraction of the weight of the Eden. Actually, my Epi410UL weighs about the same as my old 210XLT, and as you can imagine, it puts out A LOT more sound. Also, the Epi tweeters are MUCH smoother and nicer than the Eden tweeters.

The Berg stuff is nice, but quite different sounding from the Epi (which is at least somewhat in the same tone family to my ears as the Eden... punchy, a little growly, warm). However, the Berg cabs are quite heavy, and seem to be a little more fussy than some other cabs regarding amplification that sounds good with them IMO and IME. Very nice though.

That being said, I could be very happy playing a 410XLT is someone else would haul it for me! Nice sounding cab!
 
This was exactly my experience a number of years ago. After playing my 210XLT for a number of years, with a few other cabs in between, I discovered the EpiUL line... tight, punchy, articulate, loud, and a fraction of the weight of the Eden. Actually, my Epi410UL weighs about the same as my old 210XLT, and as you can imagine, it puts out A LOT more sound. Also, the Epi tweeters are MUCH smoother and nicer than the Eden tweeters.

The Berg stuff is nice, but quite different sounding from the Epi (which is at least somewhat in the same tone family to my ears as the Eden... punchy, a little growly, warm). However, the Berg cabs are quite heavy, and seem to be a little more fussy than some other cabs regarding amplification that sounds good with them IMO and IME. Very nice though.

That being said, I could be very happy playing a 410XLT is someone else would haul it for me! Nice sounding cab!

Couldn't agree more. My take on the Epiphani's is that they are very similar to the Edens except Lighter, Smoother, and a little more refinned. I've heard Kens Epi 410 UL sound like tube punch city with my old Eden WT550 driving it. I played the Eden cabs for years and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. A PAIR of Epi 310 UL's is lighter then ONE 410 XLT. To me that is the ultimate tipping point. Having said that, Edens and Epi's both excel at cutting thru in the mix with the right EQ on the amp sections.