Epiphone Jack Casady - Neck Dive - What to do about it?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Peter Weil, Oct 25, 2001.

  1. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Hi all you other Jacksters.

    Well, I tried standing up for the first time to play my Jack Casady bass a week or so ago - been playing it sitting down for too long - and I found out about neck dive something chronic! (Even worse neck dive than my old Thumb bass, and that had some pretty bad dive on it....)

    Just wondering if any other Jacksters (or anyone, really) has any solution to the ol' neck dive problem. I was thinking perhaps of buying a new strap - an acoustic guitar-type strap - and tying the end around the peghead, so as to change the centre of gravity. Of course, it's also so light that I could probably find a way to add weight at the other end too.....

    At any rate, let's hear how you other guys deal with the neck dive. Perhaps I'll just play sitting down from now on?

  2. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    A short strap and wear it as high as you can. That seems to change the balance when you point the neck upward. It also helps with that right forearm problem the bass can give you by cutting into your arm when it's lower.
  3. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Well, at least it sounds do-able. Don't you find that the upper bout sort of cuts into your body a bit though? We're not talking chin-high here, are we? :D

    I'll try that one. Anyone else got any ideas?

  4. You might try the "Slider Strap" X braced strap. It may help or not. Don't forget to try it upside down/backwards as the bass will hang differently. Nothing changes for you except that the logo will be upside down on your back. They're about 20 bucks and it helped with neck dive on one of my basses. Let us know. Jim T.
  5. Slater

    Slater Bye Millen! Hello?

    Apr 17, 2000
    The Great Lakes State
    Try a strap with a suede leather backing. The suede should grab your clothing and not allow the bass to dive.
  6. boogiebass


    Aug 16, 2000
    Chin-high would definitely be overdoing it. More like, mid-chest high, I'd say. I don't find the upper bout cuts into the body at all but the bass can dig into your right forearm as it tries to lean away from you, thus the higher position which seems to eliminate that somewhat. Experiment with strap length and I believe you'll find a suitable position that works for you. Of course, if you're skinny as a rail or fat as a hog, these suggestions should be modified accordingly!
  7. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Perhaps I should post some photos.....:D

    Jim T, where do I find info abot the Slider strap?

    Anyone tried moving the strap pin anywhere else? I'm not overly inclined to drill holes in the bass, but if someone else has tried it and had good results, I'd like to hear about it.

    Thanks for all your suggestions so far!

  8. I usually play mine sitting down. The few times that I've played it standing up didn't bother me that much. I haven't done it for more than a couple of songs so a longer session could prove differently.

    Mike J.
  9. Peter,
    Try www.slider-strap.com
    They give you the whole skivvy. (Explanation.)
    These straps are a bit on the flimsy side and I'd like to see them make a beefier one. They ARE helpful with back and neck pain, positioning for tendonitus, etc.

    People like 'em or hate 'em. Worth a $20 U.S. gamble or try out in a shop.

    I recommend trying it upside down as it changes everything including where the straps interfere or not with your arm position, etc. Good luck. Tell us what you think. Jim T.
  10. maxvalentino

    maxvalentino Endorsing Artist Godin Guitars/ Thomastik-Infeld

    I have not noticed too much diving with my Jack.
    I do wear it kinda high (above the waist, just above), and use a fairly wide, padded Levi's strap.
    I got my Casady from Steve Azola, who did some experimenting with the strap knobs (replaced with Dunlop Straplocks). He drilled on the upper horn (did not help the balance)and on the upper inside of the heel. Also moved the butt strap buttonup a couple of inches (in line with the E string corner of the bridge, like a Zon). I have found that that position with the other button on the back of the heel works fine. There is a little nose diving but not uncomfortable.
    One thing you might try is to replace the tuners with lighter ones (say Hipshot ultralites, or something similar). I have been thinking of this for my Casady, but have not gotten around to doin' it yet.
  11. i wouldn't do anything, you'll get used to it. i have a guitar with the strap right by the neck joint, and at first i found it hard to play because of the dive, but now it's simply an aspect of the instrument, like action. i've gotten used to the little quirks of all my instruments, and when i strap one on, i adapt after about a minute of playing.
  12. Boozie


    Oct 5, 2001
    Tempe, AZ
    I play with my Jack Casady bass ultra low- Yeah I know, but I play live so looking cool is 90 percent of the game. I had the neck drop problem as well. I moved the pin a little below the mid point of the upper horn- and it improved it dramatically. I measured to the middle and placed a little dot with a pin. I then took a finishing nail and, ever so slightly taped it with a screwdriver. Not all the way, just enough to get the screw started. I then removed the old strap button and screwed into the location. No probs. The wood is very soft so you shouldn’t have to drill. I also have an Aguilar on-board preamp and two 10-volt battery holders in the rear. This added to leveling out the bass as well.
    Hope this helps-
  13. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Okay all, I found a solution that didn't mean drilling new holes.

    I went out and bought an acoustic guitar strap - you know, the kind which one end goes at the bottom of the instrument and the other end is tied around the neck at the nut - and this solution works very well.

    Sure, it looks a little different, but not outlandish - after all, many guitarists have thier instruments held up the same way - but it's cheap and it works.

    The slider strap looked good but perhaps a little bit unconventional, so I thought I'd try a cheaper solution first before I tried a slider strap.

    Thank you everyone for your input!