http://www.espguitars.com/basses_vintage.html I was checking out two new ESP Vintage 4s at my favorite shop today. These new ones are made in China, and they much cheaper than the old Japanese versions. The rosewood version was $349, and the Maple version was $399. I'm not one for reliced basses, but these ESPs flat out kill! The necks feel great, and pickups have output for days. I played some old Motown on these basses, and they sounded totally authentic. I also cranked the P/J and tone, and it delivered a grindy rock tone in spades. The one major issue was the fact that on both basses, the nut was cut too high, and it kept the action from getting as low as it could have. Consdiering that these basses are not expensive, that fix would not be bad at all (+ - $50.) For somebody looking for a really solid P/J that is pretty well made at a great price, ESP may be just the ticket!