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Evah Pirazzi Slap Strings

Discussion in 'Strings [DB]' started by Bobby King, Sep 16, 2017.


  1. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    I got a set of the Evah Slaps the other day and I thought I'd post some impressions. I am a long time gut user - usually plain gut on the D&G and wound gut or a synthetic on the A&E. My last set which I've had on for over a year was Gamut Gut on top and Innovation Golden Slaps on the bottom, and I was happy with this setup. Recently I'd been noticing the E string pitch getting a little funny, which I attributed to age, so it was time to replace the bottoms and I heard about the Evah set. Then I got a theater gig for November that requires some bowing. The Innovations are minimally bowable, and I don't care much for the sound or feel of plain gut bowed. So I went for the full synthetic Evah set, which supposedly had a reasonable arco.

    My reactions so far are pretty positive to the Evah Slaps. They have a nice smooth surface, even tension string to string, and the G is nice and thick, and not too whiney and sustainey. It has more of a gut-like tone and attack than any of the other synthetics I've tried. The strings sounded a little dull right out of the package, but after a day they became livelier. Probably needed a little stretch time. The pitch became stable after a day too. I'd say the arco is decent - definitely not as good as regular Evah or Obligato (probably fine for the theater gig though), but definitely better than the Innovations. The pizz is very good, and I'd venture to say that for a gut substitute, this is one of the best I've tried - and I've tried most of them :)
    Obligato, Evah, Super Sensitive, Zyex, Velvet, Innovation... Again, I like the consistency of the sound and tension - it's a light tension but not floppy. The tone remains gut-like on top. One drawback of plain gut is that the notes often get thumpy and indistinct on the D string as you go up the neck. The Evah keeps it's clarity. For any of you who use steel on the bottom and like a gut G, but get frustrated with the gut D's, you might try one of these for your D. Now, I like a gut sound with not too much sustain - some people like the synthetics like Obligato that still will sustain and give you a little growl. The Slaps are probably not for you then. I haven't used them on a gig yet, but at home they sound very good through an amp - very gut like. As the name would imply, they slap great, and they feel durable and as if the windings won't break or come unwound, and the smooth surface won't tear up the fingerboard. I'd say an excellent string for jump blues, swing, rockabilly, bluegrass, and jazz if you like an old school tone. They were $227 from Gollihur, which is considerably less than Gamuts. The Evah Slap set with guts on top is about $100 more, but I'd still call that a good deal, and a good place to start for someone interested in a gut setup. Pirastro did a real good job with these!
     
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  2. Bobby King? I thought you was daid.

    Buddy of mine got one of the full-synthetic EP Slaps sets, and the aluminum-wound G blew out on him after a few weeks. Pirastro sent him a replacement Evah Solo G and I heard they're tweaking the Slap G, but it's a thing to look out for.
     
  3. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Rumors of my death have been grossly exaggerated :) I guess I'd been happy with my setup and didn't have much to say.

    Well that's disappointing to hear about the G. Is he a big slapper? I only do a little slap and wont be beating them too much that way. I guess if it goes I'll just put a plain gut G back on.
     
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  4. He's not a huge slapper but he is a big strong dude whose pH is about -5,000,000.

    @Hoyt? Wanna weigh in here?
     
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  5. @KUNGfuSHERIFF thanks for thinking of me.

    The Evah full synthetic "slap" set was my last attempt at going for a "gut like" sound without buying guts, and I'm really pleased with them.

    I've tried Lezners, Göetz, and a vintage set of Red-O-Ray's (my favorite by far), but I can't seem to keep a set healthy for longer than 4-5 months. I've oiled them, trimmed them, sno-sealed them; nothing seemed to work and I just can't afford to keep buying guts.

    I've had the Evah Slaps on my bass for over a year and LOVE the E, A, & D. The aluminum wrap they use on the G to beef it up unwound on me after 3 months. I emailed Pirastro and they sent me both a Evah Pirazzi Weich G and another aluminum wrap G.

    I put the Weich G on and was surprised. I thought it tonally matched the rest of the set better after it settled in, especially for arco. The tension is a little higher, but it doesn't bother me too much for pizz or slap.

    To add to my string adventure, I love these so much that I decided to replace the Spiros on my Kay with a set (my "gig" bass is a king Doublebass Roadking). Not fully trusting that aluminum G, I bought the Evah Slap E, A, & D from Gollihur and opted for a solo gauge Evah Pirazzi G. Tension was perfect. However, my Kay didn't care for it and it honked in a few places where I need to plane the fingerboard. Out of frustration I put the aluminum G Evah sent me on the Kay and it minimized that rough spot.

    I will say that acoustically the Kay doesn't project as much as it did with the Spiros and if all I played was pizz, those Spiros would never leave that bass.

    Overall, I love the Evah slap synthetic set. Versatile, and as close to gut as I'm willing to go with my wallet.
     
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  6. As I've said before, the trick with Spiros is to let them die. Mine are so dead they don't even go 'whunk.' That's the sweet spot.

    For you, I'd say Goldentones or Pirastso Pizzicato. Ain't nothing else got that airy gut sound, and once the string is wrapped in a Tynex condom, what could go wrong? That's a rhetorical question...
     
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  7. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Slaps Hoyt. I hope the G holds up because I like it.

    I've tried a lot of guts too, and the best ones have been the Gamuts. The Pistoy gut D is about the only one I've ever been happy with, but the sucker costs like $175! And still, it gets thunky above around an A note. I like the Evah Slap D a lot. The Gamut Lyon gut G is also very good- around $100. So you're paying almost $300 for the top 2 strings. Then pick your poison for the E and A. The wound Gamuts are good - lots of $$ and I've had A strings break above the nut. Plus they're real susceptible to temperature change and have to be tuned frequently, more than the plain guts. The Innovations have probably been my favorite synthetics on the bottom - best tone, tension and diameter match. Not very good for
    arco. But a mixed set like that still costs you $400-$500 dollars! A full set of Gamut guts is like $550! The plain guts last a good long time though - the ones I have are almost 2 years old and still sound fine.

    Has anyone tried the Evah Slaps with the gut uppers? I wonder how that D string is?

    Anyway, I'm hoping I continue to like the full synthetic set - reasonably priced, and a sound and feel that I like.
     
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  8. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    I've had Pizzicato's break on me - they're very expensive and slightly higher tension than I like - the upper strings also sing a little too much for my taste. Tynex wound strings are interesting - the old Golden Spirals sounded really good - but the D string was floppy feeling - same with Goldentone. Over the years I've spent a fortune trying all of these strings. I've generally wound up thinking either use Spiros or real gut. But I hope I continue to like the Evah Slaps - much less aggravation.
     
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  9. It's a Pirastro plain gut D string. Basically what you'd expect.
     
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  10. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    I've never played any plain gut Pirastro strings.
     
  11. Thick, low twist per inch, stiff, tend to fray where they wrap around the rollers.

    Overall in my experience they push back against you, are loud with lots of fundamental and not a lot of air to the sound like, say, Gamuts.
     
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  12. JC Pat

    JC Pat

    Sep 6, 2008
    Minneapolis, MN
    Thanks for the review! I've been playing gut D&G with EP Slap E&A for a couple years now. I agree with all the above pros & cons of the EP slaps. The guts are probably 4 years old and I've been thinking about what to do when I have to replace them. Based on this review I think I might give them a try (although it will be hard to say goodbye to guts...)
     
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  13. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Yeah, there is nothing like real gut. But they do have their limitations.
     
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  14. Reiska

    Reiska

    Jan 27, 2014
    Helsinki, Finland
    I swapped my plain gut GDA today to synthetic E.P slaps when my G string snapped, and took the strings down a turn ( I had a set of E.P. slaps as backup strings ). I have now a Velvet Garbo light E on instead of E.P slap, I switched to Garbo E because I couldn`t get enough volume out from E.P slap with the bow. No matter how close to the bridge and in tune I played with a heavy hand, it was just too weak and muddy comparing to the plain A that was next to it. Played acoustically tonight in a improvisation group w/ drums, a BG and bass clarinet, in a small and lively rehearsing room.

    People talk about dynamic ceiling w/ Evah Pirazzis, and this felt very real after playing plain guts for last 3-4 months. The G came down to 10mm`s from 11mm`s, so string height shouldn`t be the reason for this. However, I took the strings one more turn down when I got back home, as I`ve been hurting a bit more than necessary lately. I like the E.P. G and A, they`re very close to guts when plucked, both in sound and feel. D is ok too, but it doesn`t have as much the gut qualities in it`s tone and feel, at least on my bass. But then again, E.P. slaps doesn`t sound " string-y " when compared to say, Velvets IMO.

    I`ll have to stick with this setup for some time, as the money is too tight for buying any plain gut G string at the moment ( sold my spare gut G only a couple of weeks ago, :banghead: ). Let`s see if I like it enough to not move back to guts. It seems that my skin ph has great weich plain gut G killing qualities, as this was 3rd string that I snapped ( this one snapped where the A is on the G string ), even with careful and reqular maintenance.

    Plain guts are what they are, but E.P. slaps have many qualities that I like over plain guts, some of them described up there. Let`s see!
     
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  15. I seem to sweat battery acid as well. Part of the reason I got of the gut crazy train. Love the way they sound though, and if I ever become independently wealthy I'll switch back.
     
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  16. LowG

    LowG

    Dec 8, 2006
    Milwaukee, WI
    Seems I hear mixed reviews about the Slaps regarding arco. I want to go with guts for my first time, but don't really feel strongly about real vs synthetic. I just want the old school gut arco sound especially, and the gut pizz sound as a bonus.

    Are EP Slaps a decent choice for that?
     
  17. I didn't bow them extensively during the brief time I had them on, sorry.
     
  18. Bobby King

    Bobby King Supporting Member

    May 3, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    I'd say the EP Slaps are only fair for arco, OK for someone doing primarily pizz, but I wouldn't recommend then to someone who does a substantial amount of bowing. To me, bowed gut has a particularly cutting, "grainy" sound with abundant mid, and upper midrange frequencies. The EPs have a more "hollow" tone. Regular Evah and Obligato get a rich arco tone, but the Slaps are different. However, they bow reasonably well - not hard to start a note, and don't require either particularly light or heavy pressure. Probably not as responsive for fast passages and rapid staccato - not that I'm actually capable of any of that! :)
     
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  19. Great to see you back posting again Bobby! :)
     
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  20. Reiska

    Reiska

    Jan 27, 2014
    Helsinki, Finland
    Bowing for me means improvised music, folk-y stuff or imitating horn bass lines in a band, and I`m most definently not capable of playing orchestral arco. However, in the band I need it to be loud, in mix with drumset, plectrum banjo, ten sax and hollowbody el. guitar. I like to keep the amp involved as little as possible, to get a natural old school tone. I love the bowed tone of guts, as they have this very arcaic quality and all the colours available. E.P. slaps are very different in how they sound under the bow, but overall they play very easy, arco, pizz and obviously slap. IME and IMO, off course.
     
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  21. jsf729

    jsf729 Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 2014
    Central Maryland
    Premature intonation
     
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  22. I just emailed Adrian Mueller at Pirastro about this and he said:
    So the rumor appears to be false.
    Just wanted to clear up things.

    Regards,
    François
     

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