Everybody Must Get Stoned!

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by bholder, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    I'm talkin' 'bout Kidney Stones, so let's hope not everyone! :eek: So I got them pretty bad on my right side, flaring up lately, trying to fight them with lots of apple cider vinegar and lemon and cranberry juice. Has anyone found relief with anything else? I'm wondering about some of the natural / herbal remedies (not the homeopathic "diluted to 0%" nonsense), anyone tried any of those?
  2. No, but Ive had one and it was extremely painful. I ended up in the ER with a shot of morphine to kill the pain. A few days later I had surgery to remove it which was no picnic either. ( I’ll skip the gory details.) my urologist did recommend lemon juice, and so far, after almost five years, no reoccurrence. Knock on wood.....
  3. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    Hoping to avoid the surgery we'll see what the doc says soon.
  4. roller

    roller Supporting Member

    Mar 30, 2014
    Is there anything preventative that can be done to help avoid these? I've always heard that drinking more water and less soda helps. Thoughts?
  5. Bent77


    Mar 6, 2013
    Desert, Colorado
    Buddy of mine passed a 5mm

    Ironically he was drinking water out of a 2L DrPepper bottle. Probably what helped him acquire it in the first place
  6. I have had a few and it is the worst pain I have ever experienced. I wouldn't wish it on... well, there are a couple of people I would wish it on but I'm not a nice person. When I got them, I was drinking a lot of coffee and not much else. I cut down on coffee and started drinking water and juice and haven't had any more of them.
  7. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    From what I've read, they're mostly calcium, so one suggestion is to cut down on high calcium foods like dairy. :( (I'm a skim milk addict.)

    I've passed a couple, and yeah, it hurts. I've read that it's the closest thing a man can feel to the pain of childbirth - quoted that line in a bar one night, and a lady spoke up, she'd had both, and more or less agreed.

    Now, hanging out in the kidney, hurts a lot on occasion but nothing like the intensity of passing one. Only like getting stabbed in the back randomly as you're trying to get up out of bed to pee in the middle of the night. What fun.
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  8. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    There are different kinds of stones, caused by different foods. Yes, stay hydrated. There is also a heredity factor. I've never needed surgery, but had to pass one under after a morphine shot in the ER.
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  9. Bent77


    Mar 6, 2013
    Desert, Colorado

    my female spousal unit has had 4 kids and 2 bouts of kidney stones

    She’s not a Stones fan
  10. IamGroot

    IamGroot Inactive

    Jan 18, 2018
    Over hydrate with water, not coffee or tea. Esp. If you do strenuous exercise.

    Avoid cruciferous vegetables ( high oxalic acid) like broccoli

    If you drink alcohol, increase water intake.

    Have marital relations frequently.*

    *No effect on kidney stones, but will make you happier. Maybe not your spouse.
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  11. Hope you feel better soon. In the meantime, here's the Stoning scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian.
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  12. I've had three bouts with the hideous little suckers. Managed to pass them each time. The first two I caught in a little screen. Turned out to be calcium both times. After the third one (which I didn't recover) and knowing the first two were calcium based , I for the most part gave up drinking the large quantities of milk that I had been drinking for most of my life. Haven't had another one in over twenty years now.
    I recently talked to a girl that had a couple of kids and also had kidney stones. She said the stones were worse than having the kids. Having never had a kid I obviously can't give a valid comparison but I would tend to agree with her.
  13. Ian McLaughlin

    Ian McLaughlin

    Aug 11, 2018
    I think they can break them up with sonic wave technology now. No joke, like a sonogram but stronger. Don't even have to slice you.

    I've had my gall bladder and appendix removed, both "emergency surgeries."

    Good luck, @bholder.

    I don't have health insurance right now, so I'd be SOL, USC, and F'd in the A.
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  14. dangnewt

    dangnewt Veteran Dispenser Supporting Member

    Jun 6, 2003
    MetroWest Boston
    Ugh, stones are bad.
    Had a few episodes 15 years ago. Underwent lithotripsy to break one up and it passed. I sent the stones and about a half-gallon of urine for analysis. Calcium oxalate stones- I needed to drink more water and avoid eating too much dark leafy veggies combined with meat and cheese, so no more spinach sausage and cheese calzones and no more cashews by the handful.
    They also put me on a low dose diuretic.

    Been stone-free since.
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  15. Haroldo

    Haroldo Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2005
    North Shore, MA
    I wish that, like the Jimi Hendrix Experience, I was/am stone free. But I'm not - 30 years of stones, lithotripsy, and other surgical techniques. And still it's a mystery as to why I churn out so many of the (not so little) suckers. For a terrifying experience, take a gander at one through a microscope. You'll wonder how it is you still have functioning ureters.
  16. blastoff99

    blastoff99 Moderators Local A440 Staff Member Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Dec 17, 2011
    Under the flight path
    Had one and only one (so far, knock on wood, etc). It was only 3mm and half of it looked like the moon but the other half looked like a medieval torture instrument. Took over a week to pass it, then the next few days were pretty brutal as well.

    What I was told is that some people just are stone makers. The dietary suggestions may help. And FOR SURE cut out soda, and drink lots of water (esp if calcium oxalate stones). But there may not be a lot you can do to help yourself. Apple cider vinegar seems unlikely to hurt you. D-mannose supplementation likewise. Who cares what helps, as long as something does.

    A relative passed a 12mm stone (!!!!!!) painlessly. They knew it was there. One morning, plunk! there it was. A few months later, she passed a 7mm stone, also painlessly. They knew about that one too. There are a couple more in the pipeline that were visible on CT. I was surprised it was even possible to pass stones that large, much less do so without trauma. She is a real wimp about pain, so this is... bizarre.

    Good luck.
  17. dangnewt

    dangnewt Veteran Dispenser Supporting Member

    Jun 6, 2003
    MetroWest Boston
    My bad one looked like a medieval mace. The lithotripsy separated the ball from the handle and it passed easily enough. The problem was that it was trying to go down sideways and that created the pain.

    I think there is some element of genetics in it - my mom had kidney and gall stones (as if having me wasn't bad enough!).

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  18. keyboardguy

    keyboardguy Supporting Member

    May 11, 2005