Ext. Cab for Markbass 121P

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by smallbutmighty, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. smallbutmighty

    smallbutmighty Commercial User

    Oct 1, 2007
    PNW, USA
    Warmoth - Marketing Director
    I've got a Markbass 121P, which I love. I'm looking for the best ext. cab to compliment it. I think I've narrowed it down to either:

    Epifani PS112
    Markbass New Yorker

    Of these two, which you would you pick, and why?

    Extra credit: give me another option that you think is even better. Please explain your answer and show your work.
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    New Yorker. Why? It's the same cab and matched cabs do very nice things when you pair them up, whereas non-matched cabs can sound really good or they can sound bad. There's a guy who used the Epi with the Markbass combo on here who really liked it, though. But me, I like to play it safe.
  3. Mulebagger


    Dec 12, 2007
    poppin in the corn belt
    Endorsing Artist: Zon Guitars, Tsunami Cables, DR Strings, GK
    +1 Jimmy.

    I tend to match cabs or come as closely as possible to keep the sound I like but just make it larger and louder without dealing with different colors, volumes, responses, etc.
  4. I'm going to start researching/demo'ing ext. cabs for my CMD121 in a month or so...I was thinking about "playing it safe" as well, except I have started looking at the Traveler 121h. It's taller than the n.y. but shares the same foot print but it's tuned to 40hz as opposed to the n.y's 45.

    I know our CMD's are tuned to 45hz, so my thought was that it would be nice to mix it up with a MB cab that's tuned just a touch lower.

    If you purchase before I do let me know your initial thoughts!

    This is a good thread to follow as well. This guy has the same rig and he should be recieving his NY ext. cab shortly:
  5. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I'm one of the guys who uses an Epifani UL112 with my 121P.
    Nice combo. The UL112 has great lows and depth, while the
    121P has a very focused punch when it sits on top of the
    UL112. It just seems to work well.
    I'm sure the New Yorker would be a very nice match. There
    are Markbass employees who use this combination.
  6. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    The good thing about adding a matched cab is it doubles the driver count, which adds a whole new dimension of warmth on the bottom end. I forget the exact amount, but I think Bill FM said it's like a 6db increase in low end per every doubling of drivers when you use matched cabs. As a matter of fact, my local GC has the New Yorker and the combo, and I think I'm going to go there this weekend and try it out and see what happens.
  7. MIJ-VI

    MIJ-VI Inactive Supporting Member

    Jan 12, 2009
    Mini CMD 121P + New York 121 = an acoustically matched and therefore focused-sounding rig.

    Accept no substitutes under penalty of potential phasing and/or relative efficiency issues.
  8. ::::BASSIST::::

    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection.

    Sep 2, 2004
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    I ran that exact rig for awhile 121p + UL112. Pretty damn good, but I also tried the ps112 with the 121p and actually preferred that setup. The ps112 has more substantial and focused lows over the UL112.. who's lows are wider. The ps112 + 121p is a great match IMO. I dug it.

    However, I did just go for two UL112s + LMII as I felt the cmd121p, while great for what it is, just wasnt full enough sounding to my ears. I found it a bit too low-middy.

    I bet two ps112s + LMII would be fantastic as well.
  9. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles

    I would agree with all the above. There are give and takes
    with all this gear stuff.
  10. +1 You get roughly 3 db from the extra cab, and then, if you are using a solid state head, get another 2 db or so from the 'non quite doubling' of power. It's a BIG difference, and I've also found that it's almost always better to add an identical second cab. There are exceptions (i.e., two very different cabs working great together), but that's kind of a trial and error game that came get expensive and time consuming.

    Ken's general rule:D... if you like the sound of your solid state head running into a single 8ohm cab, then you will LOVE the sound of your rig when a second identical cab is added... louder, more low end, more 'breathing room' with your amp, etc.

    That all being said, 2 small 112's are not going to give you 410 volume and punch.
  11. Just wondering how this all wrapped up for you and if you could shed any light on your overall satisfaction with whichever cab you purchased?
  12. smallbutmighty

    smallbutmighty Commercial User

    Oct 1, 2007
    PNW, USA
    Warmoth - Marketing Director
    I ended up with the Markbass and a Aguilar GS112, and I feel pretty much the same way B String does about his Epifini. The Aguilar brings the lows and the Markbass is very focused on top.

    At some point I may end up going with another GS112 cab and an LMII, but for now I'm pretty happy.
  13. yamaha


    Apr 7, 2006
    CMD121P & 121H ext. is one of my favorite mini rigs.
  14. Yamaha,

    That is the same rig I'm debating...I already have the cmd121 - I just need to decide what I want to put under it. Did you jump into your decision "blind", or did you have the opertunity have visit a store that had different markbass ext. cabs for you to try out?

    I'm thinking about the 121 ny ext. cab because it has the same form factor as the cmd121p (perfectly stackable!) and nice and light.

    I'm thinking about the 121h: because it shares the same stackable footprint as the cmd121, but is tuned down to 40hz as opposed to the 121ny's 45hz. It's also around 20 dollars less expensive. Downsides? Maybe it's just me being a spaz - but when you put it on it's side to stack the mini cmd on top of it the MarkBass logo is sideways.

    I wonder if one of the MB single 15 inch ext. cabs would be a nice match? What do you think the 15 incher will yield even though the specs are virtually identical? It looks like it's all the same, except the 15 inchers are tuned to 40-18 and the 12's are tuned to 40 or 45-20

    I was also considering an Acme low-b 1x10 just because I like the premise of it being able to throw down the low low low B fundamentals. I'm not sure though because Acme's specs list it at 175 watts rms...What throws me about that power rating is that for their low-b2 cab they list it as 350 watts rms but then go on to suggest that pushing 500 watts through it is ideal. There is no such suggestion on the low-b1 product page.
  15. strappa

    strappa Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 9, 2009
    Philadelphia, PA
    what about adding a 102p traveler?

    I just bought that cab and i love it.
    i am trying to decide if i want to add the 121 or the 151 traveler

    anyone play one of those combinations?
  16. Mitchthebassplayer


    Jan 7, 2008
    Queens, NY
    Endorsing Artist: Olinto, La Bella, JuleAmps, Epifani
    I've been rocking a LMII and a single Traveller 151P and it's SO fat and clean for a single 8 ohm full range cab, I'm about to add another one. The piezo tweeter is really natural sounding to my ear as well. If that's too fat sounding, maybe just the 121P?