Fake Leather strap from Walker & Williams

Discussion in 'Accessories [BG]' started by FunkHead, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I already had a very nice Leather Strap but decided I would grab a second one. So I looked around and searched for genuine leather straps. I found a decent deal on a nice looking strap from Walker and Williams. This one:
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    After some light use it has started to fall apart. I realize now that it is not real leather. Instead, I was sold some fake garbage covering a piece of felt.
    The strap holes are deteriorating and the strap itself is separating.
    As you can see it's a thin layer of rubbery/plastic fake material. This is wrapped around grey felt.
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    I emailed Walker & Williams over a week ago and have not heard a word back from them.
    I am writing it off and back to searching for a nice leather strap.
     

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  2. JakobT

    JakobT

    Jan 9, 2014
    Oslo, Norway
    Imitation leather seldom stands up to hard or even prolonged moderate use. I recommend Italia leather straps: www.italiastraps.com
     
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  3. SwitchGear

    SwitchGear

    Mar 23, 2005
    Sunny Beach
    Inexpensive, Chinese made straps. You get what you pay for. :rollno::bored::(
     
  4. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I didn't know they were made in China. But I was still assured that were genuine leather before I made the purchase. I was under the impression that Walker & Williams were here in USA.
     
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  5. forrestlaw

    forrestlaw Supporting Member

    Jun 25, 2018
    Houston
    This. Moody also make really nice straps. Along those same lines I have a Richter Beaver Tail leather strap that is awesome and probably my fave. All of the ones I mentioned cost quite a bit more than the Walker and Williams straps, but are well worth it IMO.
     
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  6. That looks like “bonded leather”. It is a very thin layer of leather, glued to a fabric underlayment. Cheap leather furniture has this same finish. It doesn’t last long.
    So, they can probably legally call it “leather”. It’s just not what most people think of as real leather.
    You want either “full grain” or “top grain” leather, for long lasting high quality.
    Of course, “split grain” is suede. Which can be strong and long lasting.
     
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  7. I do leatherwork. Maybe this will help everyone.

    Full Grain Leather

    This is the most authentic type of leather you can buy. The only process applied to the original animal hide is hair removal, followed by soaking it in a natural (usually vegetable) dye. There is no additional treatment of the leather, and it retains the look and texture of the actual hide. Since this leather is so pure, it’s generally the highest price of all leather choices. The texture of full grain leather is tough at first, but softens with use.

    Top Grain Leather
    Top grain leather gets a little more polishing than full grain leather, though it is very similar to full grain in its purity. Top grain leather goes through a buffing process, making it softer than full grain, but with the same durability and longevity. If you want a softer look and feel, go for top grain instead of the more rugged full grain leather.

    Split Grain Leather
    When the “top” outer layer of leather is removed, the remaining hide section is used for split grain varieties. While less expensive, split grain is harder in texture and more difficult to maintain than the higher-quality types.

    Bonded Leather
    If you want to have that high-quality leather look at a lower cost, consider bonded leather. This leather is created from the scraps of other leather projects, and then rolled up using adhesive material. In most cases, the end product contains just 17% leather but still gives a leather look and smell.

    Nubuck Leather
    This type of leather is made using only the rawhide from cattle, which is then sanded to give it a suede-like, soft appearance. Nubuck leather is known for its fragility, and requires waterproofing treatment if consumers intend to keep it for a long time.

    Bi-Cast Leather
    Bi-cast leather is split grain with a coating of color polyurethane that makes it look like top grain leather. It’s much less expensive than top grain, but without the right treatment, it peels and cracks. Make sure you know the difference between bi-cast leather and top grain before you make your purchase, and understand proper maintenance.

    Faux Leather
    For a leather look that doesn’t actually use any animal hides, try faux leather. Technology has not yet made it possible for man-made leather to quite reach the quality of its real counterpart, but it has improved enough that faux leather is somewhat durable and looks good. For some animal lovers, faux leather can be an alternative.
     
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  8. JakobT

    JakobT

    Jan 9, 2014
    Oslo, Norway
    Very useful info. Thank you!
     
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  9. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Great info. Thanks. What would you consider this leather quality to be?
    Genuine Soft Leather Black and Brown Guitar or Bass Strap | eBay
     
  10. SwitchGear

    SwitchGear

    Mar 23, 2005
    Sunny Beach
  11. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
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  12. SwitchGear

    SwitchGear

    Mar 23, 2005
    Sunny Beach
  13. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Thanks, I emailed the seller and they are saying that they are 100% genuine leather. I then asked them if there was any man-made materials sandwiched in-between the leather. I am awaiting their response.
     
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  14. Gecko 5

    Gecko 5 Inactive Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 11, 2005
    South Milwaukee , Wisconsin
    Gecko Leatherworks
    I also do leatherwork full time.
    I seem to be doing nothing but straps lately.
    I buy leather by the side(literally half a cow)
    www.geckoleatherworks.com
     
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  15. forrestlaw

    forrestlaw Supporting Member

    Jun 25, 2018
    Houston
    Those look really nice. I'll have to keep them in mind next time I need a strap.
     
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  16. spufman

    spufman Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Central CT
    The Italia straps are truly excellent, I have a bunch. They're currently running their 2 for 1 sale, through 6/21. Go for it!
    Buy One, Get One Free
     
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  17. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Thanks. I ordered this one from them.
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  18. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    My Italia strap arrived and these are beautiful. Thanks for pushing me in that direction.
     
  19. JohnnyBottom

    JohnnyBottom Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    New Jersey
    Full grain leather.. these are amazing looking, quality and comfortable...Anthology Straps...
    Leather Guitar Straps
     
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  20. JohnnyBottom

    JohnnyBottom Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    New Jersey
    googled....
    Genuine leather
    . Genuine leather doesn't just mean that the product is made of real leather (which it is), but it also means it is the lowest quality of all products made out of real leather. ... This grade of leather is acceptable if you're just buying something cheaply and don't care too much about its quality
     
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