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Fake S.U.B Ray 4?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Michael Simpson, May 4, 2018.

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  1. May 4, 2018 #1
    Michael Simpson

    Michael Simpson

    Apr 27, 2017
    Wick, Caithness
    Hi Guys
    Got a bit of a dilemma here, a guy offering me a swap for my vintage v4 p bass.
    Basically he's offered me what he says is a SUB ray 4 bass with a musicman logo, and is very (almost too desperate) insistent on swapping. To the point he also offered me a zoom b2 pedal when I was considering the offer.
    The only thing is, this SUB strikes me as a fake.
    Here are the pics he's sent me.
    received_1908398806117505.jpeg received_1908398752784177.jpeg received_1908398509450868.jpeg received_1908398732784179.jpeg received_1908398746117511.jpeg From what I can see, it doesn't have the thumbwheel adjuster at the heel of the neck, the pickguard screws are in the wrong places, the string tree is too far over the the treble side of the neck and appears to be "pulling" the A strong out of line, and the 21st fret marker appears to be missing. This may be an earlier one, but I'm no expert.

    So that's where you come in! Fake or not fake? I' going with my gut and saying fake as I haven't seen one like this before, he claims it's a 2016 bass but just doesn't ring true.

    Let me know what you think! Cheers.
     
  2. May 4, 2018 #2
    bolophonic

    bolophonic

    Dec 10, 2009
    Durham, NC
    You know the dude is trying to rip you off.
     
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  3. May 4, 2018 #3
    Michael Simpson

    Michael Simpson

    Apr 27, 2017
    Wick, Caithness
    Totally and utterly man. This defo strikes me as more a fleabay rip off than a licenced product.
     
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  4. May 4, 2018 #4
    ruju

    ruju

    Dec 9, 2017
    Ontario,Canada
    It’s no good... besides those Vintage instruments play really nice..keep what you have. If you want a ray, save up for it. You’d be surprised even $40 a month will get you there sooner than you think.
     
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  5. May 4, 2018 #5
    Michael Simpson

    Michael Simpson

    Apr 27, 2017
    Wick, Caithness
    It's not that I want a ray at all, I'm more a guy for just swapping for odd instruments! But I would never touch a copied ray or anything from evilbay or one of those Chinese wholesalers sites, a SUB would be great but for me the only bass I would save up for at this point is another 74 ric like mine! ;) Aye the vintages are nice, mines had a full nitro refurb in aged white, matching headstock, fender mex pickup, and a set of roto flats. Brilliant basses for the money!
     
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  6. May 5, 2018 #6
    Michael Simpson

    Michael Simpson

    Apr 27, 2017
    Wick, Caithness
    Can anyone confirm whether this bass is a fake or not as a 2nd opinion? I'm 85% certain it is, but I'm really not sure as I'm no expert on musicman/sub gear!
     
  7. May 5, 2018 #7
    JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    Indianapolis and Cincinnati
    that's about 84% more than i'd need to pass on any deal! good luck!:thumbsup:
     
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  8. May 5, 2018 #8
    mongo2

    mongo2

    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    Pass.
     
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  9. May 5, 2018 #9
    eastcoasteddie

    eastcoasteddie

    Mar 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, transplanted to NoVA
    Ugh...the strings on that retention button...
    received_1908398746117511-jpeg.jpg

    It’s not a fake SUB...it’s a fake Stingray; so fake that it looks like a fake SUB.
     
  10. May 5, 2018 #10
    Wood and Wire

    Wood and Wire

    Jul 15, 2017
    It's totally fake!

    The headstock isn't even the right shape (it almost looks more like a regular Fender style blank, that has been re-shaped before it was drilled - the machine heads are way too spread out).

    Obviously the headstock decals are completely wrong, even for a Stingray, let alone a SUB.

    There haven't been bullet truss rods, on Music Man instruments, since about 1990.

    Steer clear.
     
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  11. May 5, 2018 #11
    JakobT

    JakobT

    Jan 9, 2014
    Oslo, Norway
    Not a SUB - terrible StingRay copy. Avoid at all cost.
     
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  12. May 5, 2018 #12
    DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    Jan 24, 2003
    Newport News, VA via NYC
    FAKE! No wheel truss rod adjuster at bottom of neck. Adjuster hole in top of the neck. Not the Stingray way. That logo looks horrid and amateurish! String tree in wrong spot. Keep your bass.
     
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  13. May 5, 2018 #13
    Badwater

    Badwater Guest

    Jan 12, 2017
    The body is a Sub ray4 or SB4 import from sterling. As the bridge is the thin metal stamped bridges that are found on the $299 sterling Sub Ray4 or SB4. Same goes for the control plate 2 band EQ with volume. I bet if you look under the plate you'll find a small preamp wired to the pots. The neck looks like a import replacement with a fake decal, and the frets look real thin like the ones you find on $99 imports.
    Thus, not a real Sub ray from the early days, but more a parts bass with various era import parts.
     
  14. May 5, 2018 #14
    Hevy T

    Hevy T Supporting Member

    Jan 11, 2011
    Lethbridge, AB Canada
    I think its a AliExpress crappy, oh sorry I meant copy!

    The logo is not even right
    No Pinwheel
    truss adjustment at the headstock

    I think I have actually seen one like this on AliExpress to tell te truth
     
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  15. May 5, 2018 #15
    Anachronism

    Anachronism Supporting Member

    Nov 17, 2014
    VA
    Someone trying to rip people off with a counterfeit bass? Impossible! All the TB members insisisting that fake basses are harmless can’t be wrong.
     
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  16. May 5, 2018 #16
    Fender_Bender

    Fender_Bender

    Mar 12, 2017
    Hamilton, Ontario
    Aliexpress strikes again.
     
  17. May 5, 2018 #17
    Rockonjp76

    Rockonjp76 Guest

    Aug 8, 2016
    716, NY
    Total fake.
     
  18. May 5, 2018 #18
    toowrongfoo

    toowrongfoo Guest

    Nov 25, 2017
    What a pile. A decent sub would be better than that.
     
  19. May 5, 2018 #19
    bassstrangler

    bassstrangler

    Mar 2, 2015
    AZ
    They are harmless, it's the people trying to pass them off as real who are the problem and cause the harm.
     
  20. May 5, 2018 #20
    secondbestcody

    secondbestcody Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2017
    Madison, Wisconsin
    I have a SBMM sub with a bent neck I’m thinking about dropping off at goodwill. Can’t play anything above the 9th fret without it deadening on the frets.
     
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