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Fearful 12/6/1 to Replace Ampeg 210s

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by slapstick13, Feb 10, 2016.


  1. slapstick13

    slapstick13

    Feb 5, 2010
    Looking into a fearful 12/6/1 cube to replace my Ampeg 210av(2 of them) powered by a Mesa Walkabout head. The Ampegs with the walkabout is loud enough for me I'm just intrigued by the "clarity" of the fearful and being able to hear it when I'm not right in front of it.

    I know I'm running the full 300 watts with the 210av cabs and would only be running about half that wattage with the 12/6/1. Any thoughts or experience with both setups?
     
  2. Interceptor

    Interceptor Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2005
    Madison, WI
    I've used the Walkabout with a 12/6 and gig both a 12/6 and a pair of the SVT210AV cabinets.

    I really liked the tone of the Mesa with the 12/6. Warm, clear and a super friendly tone in a mix. It was loud enough for live use in low volume work, but would be very drummer dependent if things start to get cooking volume wise. The nights I used the Mesa + 12/6 I was playing in a jazz combo, and we were not loud. As far as hearing all over a stage, the fearful will be a bit better, but the Ampegs stacked vertical do a respectable job too.

    The Ampegs will be louder with that amp, enough so that it is not hair splitting, but very obvious. I've used a pair of the Ampegs with a GK MB500 and that had enough volume to sit well with loud drummer. I would have lost that battle with the Mesa and a 12/6.

    Do you have enough volume with one of the Ampegs? If not, you need more speaker efficiency than one 12/6 to make the Mesa work.
     
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  3. Not enough power IMO/IME. I used an Eden WT400 for my 12/6 initially and I couldn't get the volume I needed without distorting the amp. I now power the 12/6 with a crown xls1500 bridged which gives me 800 watts/8 ohm I believe...? I run it with the volume/gain on the crown at about 3 o'clock. Great little rig. Unless you're playing coffee shop gigs, you'll need more than 100-200 watts into the fearful 12/6.
     
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  4. That would be a jaw-dropping rig. Congrats.
     
  5. slapstick13

    slapstick13

    Feb 5, 2010
    I'm not opposed to flipping the walkabout for a more powerful amp. Do you guys think a 700 or 1000 watt head could make the 12/6 work volume wise? At least to compete with the walkabout +Ampeg 210 x2 rig?
     
  6. slapstick13

    slapstick13

    Feb 5, 2010
    Thinking about getting an Orange Terror 1000 for the 12/6. Would this get me in the ballpark of the Walkabout with 2 Ampeg 210s? Or am I hoping for too much?
     
  7. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    I'd keep the Mesa and the 12/6 but get a 15Sub
     
  8. Well what is your goal? Is money the limiting factor? Is it size and portability? I can't compare volumes on rigs but a 15/6 with 700 plus watts should kick ass. The 12/6 also may be fine. It's tough to say what is loud enough for you.
     
  9. Hah well Idk about that. But if I do end up adding another 12/6 to it it will certainly be closer to jaw dropping.
     
  10. I think you are hoping for too much. Most guys getting a bit rowdy use 2 12/6. Fully rowdy 2 15/6.

    Sensitivity of 4 tens lends itself to fully utilising 300w. Pumping 500w into a less sensitive single cab won't get as loud.
     
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  11. Interceptor

    Interceptor Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2005
    Madison, WI
    The issue is that the Ampeg SVT210AV cabinets are efficient, a pair of them is in the range 6 dB louder than a 12/6. Going up 6 dB from 300 Watts is on the order of 1200 Watts.
     
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  12. slapstick13

    slapstick13

    Feb 5, 2010
    Money is somewhat of a limiting factor(I can spend about $600 on a cab/cabs and around $700 for an amp after I sell off some gear), Id like a good balance of size/weight and enough volume to be AT LEAST as loud as my current setup(walkabout>2 Ampeg 210avs) And ideally a single cab solution, which is why I'm looking at fearful/ fearless cabs.
     
  13. boamedt

    boamedt

    Jul 2, 2008
    Santa Rosa, Ca
    two 12/6s should be able to compete with those av cabs and that amp....depending on what walkabout you have they sell used up to 600. a new mesa subway maybe right up your alley. wouldnt cost much if you flip the walkabout. and if you really dont like the mesa d800(i would be very suprised) sell it on here in two hours or less and buy you walkabout back if you want(doubt this) The D800 and two 12/6s would blow your current rig away!

    i recomend the two 12.6s just for modular reason, but a 12/12/6 isnt much taller that a 12/6
     
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  14. slapstick13

    slapstick13

    Feb 5, 2010
    Only problem with 2 12/6s is I cant afford 2 right now(max $600 for a cab).
     
  15. boamedt

    boamedt

    Jul 2, 2008
    Santa Rosa, Ca
    you could build a 12/12/6 for under 6
    just dont buy a flat pack, cut your own wood, over $100 savings
     
  16. I think you can build a 15/6 for the $600. As a one cab loud thing with enough watts behind it might get you over the line.
     
  17. mbelue

    mbelue

    Dec 11, 2010
    A single 12/6/1 is not quite as loud as a good 410. Even with ~700w@8ohms.
    It does have more free sub bass and definitely more upper mids and probably treble too.
    This can help do more with less actual db, but it's not magic.

    You're taking about running one cabinet near it's limits to get very close to what you have now.

    Been there, its an accident waiting to happen.

    A 15/6 is definitely enough, maybe even with your Walkabout. It does cost more to start with but less than a 12/12/6 or 12/6/1+12sub.
    The "cost" is a larger cabinet.

    Some further thoughts...
    A 15/6 will do much more with 500w than a 12/6 which makes cheaper amplifiers go further. So that's Ampeg pf800, GK mb800, Streamliner, their ilk. By most accounts 500w is still within a safe wattage for a 15/6.

    If you are planning on DIY do the 2way cabinet first the tweeter may not even be wanted and it will save you money on crossovers and waveguides etc.

    Also the dispersion of a fearful won't be as stunning if you already stack your 2x10s in a vertical line array.
    Better:yes.
    Life changing:no.

    Just a differing opinion.

    If you DIY a 15/6 can be built VERY lightweight, lighter than some 12/6(mine). Register on Greenboy forum and find Torin's build thread. The man did the impossible sorting through alot of variables to find the lightest choices.
     
  18. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    I have no experience with the amp/cabinet combination you're currently using, but I have about 6 years of experience with fEARful 12/6s.

    Given an amp potential of 400 - 500 watts, a single 12/6 was all I needed most of that time.
    I worked with a fairly loud guitar player for a while and always carried two 12/6s, even though one would have been enough when/if I was in the PA.
     
  19. jallenbass

    jallenbass Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 17, 2005
    Bend, Oregon
    I run a GK MB800 with my 12/6 and it's way more volume than I will ever need. We play at reasonable loud volume levels.
     
  20. jallenbass

    jallenbass Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 17, 2005
    Bend, Oregon
    I'm not saying it has never happened but I have yet to read about anyone wrecking their fEARful 12/6 due to pushing it too hard with extreme volume. As long as it's a genuine fEARful and not just somebody's home-built design he'll be fine.
     
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