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Feedback on my playing? Pino Palladino D'Angelo style groove *NOW WITH 100% LESS ANNOYING VOCALS*

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Matt Bawtinheimer, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. Dec 20, 2014 #1
    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Jul 4, 2014
    Victoria BC
    Hey, this is my first ever post, so apologies to the max if its the wrong thread, or breaking any rules, or whatever please let me know and I will fix it. Threw together this jam of chicken grease by D'Angelo, started as a bass jam with the drum beat I created then evolved. Sorry there's no video, I wasn't planning ahead when I recorded it. The bass is a squire jazz fretless strung up with flats and actually run through a 15 watt guitar amp. All production/recording was done by me. Feedback is appreciated, but I'm primarily a bass player, so please critique that the most. Hope you all are enjoying Black Messiah!! Pino for President.



    For vocal-less version see below
     

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    Last edited: Dec 26, 2014
  2. Dec 21, 2014 #2
    alfoders

    alfoders

    Nov 14, 2012
    Orlando, FL
    Very good! Pino on D'Angelo's album has always been some of my favorite bass lines. I think you nailed the line quite well. I don't hear any double stops. however. Pino is famous for them.
     
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  3. Dec 22, 2014 #3
    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Jul 4, 2014
    Victoria BC
    Thanks for the kind words! It's actually not his exact line, just a two chord vamp over Gmin7-Amin7 in a similar style and set to the same drum beat, I realised later the words would still fit. Pino kills the double stops, I'm still trying to figure out exactly how to get the same vibe from them as he does, I tend to pick weird notes
     
  4. Dec 25, 2014 #4
    narud

    narud

    Mar 15, 2001
    santa maria,california
    youve got a long way to go. my band director in high school talked to us about sounding "disneyland" while trying to swing. bouncy, hokey kind of feel. thats what i hear in every instrument in this recording.
     
  5. Dec 25, 2014 #5
    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Jul 4, 2014
    Victoria BC
    For sure, just bought a bass coming up on two years now, so still have a long learning curve ahead of me. And bass is my main instrument, so not really too too worried about how the other instruments sound, they're basically all crappy MIDI synthesizers anyways. But perhaps you can elaborate on the disneyland vibe you're talking about? Its not really a swing tune, so I'm not quite sure what you meant by that? Appreciate the help!

    Also edit, posting a version without the crappy vocals and weird chorus synthesizers so that the bass line is clearer.
     
  6. Dec 26, 2014 #6
    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Jul 4, 2014
    Victoria BC
    By the way, killer tracks on your youtube channel Narud! A̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶o̶r̶i̶g̶i̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶t̶u̶n̶e̶s̶?̶
    Answered my own question :)
     
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  7. Dec 27, 2014 #7
    narud

    narud

    Mar 15, 2001
    santa maria,california
    how you program is going to be how you feel time regardless of the instrument youre playing. the 16th notes swing. there are degrees of swing. the way you feel 16ths is going to come out whether youre playing bass,guitar,programming beats or whatever. right now your feel is bouncy/hokey/white sounding. thats what my old band director would refer to as disneyland. not just in regards to playing a swing tune. just like any style, you have to immerse yourself in it and listen to a ton of it and try to analyze whats going on. not just have it on as background music. the same could be said if you were wanting to play death metal. authenticity in any genre takes quite a bit of time.
     
  8. Dec 27, 2014 #8
    smeet

    smeet Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2006
    Woodland Hills, CA
    I like the sound of the bass.

    One problem is that everything is right on the beat, and a bit too busy. The swing IMHO should be more implied. When you state it too clearly (hitting every swung 16th), it's easy to sound cheesy. The most distinctive part of the D'Angelo recordings is the freakish amount of behind-the-beat feel Pino uses, along with a lot of syncopation emphasizing the upbeat 16ths (as does the bass drum), and unusual interval jumps. The rest of the band is also doing that sparse, loose grooving thing.

    Good try. It's a cool feel, and not easy to nail. I bet if you tried doing this kind of feel with (good) live players you would learn a lot.
     
  9. Dec 27, 2014 #9
    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Jul 4, 2014
    Victoria BC
    Sweet thanks for the advice guys! I know I tend to play a little busy, I get excited too easily haha, still working on that. And getting behind the beat is something for me to work on too. I really do need to find some people to jam this stuff with, not just my computer, kinda kills the vibe. I play with a reggae influenced band right now, and I've been trying to sneak some of this stuff in with them, and they're starting to dig it. They'll come around :laugh:
     
  10. Dec 27, 2014 #10
    smeet

    smeet Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2006
    Woodland Hills, CA
    Two years, huh? I think you're doing great. You have a good tone, and it sounds like you're doing this on fretless? Nice going, keep it up!
     
  11. Dec 27, 2014 #11
    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Matt Bawtinheimer

    Jul 4, 2014
    Victoria BC
    Thanks so much! Work in progress :bassist: It's a fretless indeed, got it about a month ago and can't go back! Love the way it feels, smooth as silk :thumbsup: