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"feeling" the bass

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Obsius29A, Nov 19, 2001.


  1. Obsius29A

    Obsius29A

    Dec 20, 1999
    Huntington, NY
    I'm playing a big party soon with a lot of drunk college kids who want to dance. We're playing a kind of music that is maybe a mix of Ben Folds Five with more funk/dance elements. In any case, it's not my favorite style or scene, but I figured I'd try to do it as well as possible. Basically I need these kids to be able to feel the bass, but I don't think I'll be plugged into a big FOH p.a., so I need to create this aural/tactal illusion with my amp. I was wondering if putting one 2x10 or something like that with the speakers facing the ground would transfer the vibrations at all enough for them to "feel" it somewhat.
     
  2. With a 2x10 you're not likely to shake their bellies much. IMO you'd need a big 18 cab with as much power as you can get your hands on, 600 watts minimum.

    There's not much rumble in a 2x10 (except an ACME B2 would probably cut it), no matter how loud you drive it.

    Anyway it's gonna take a few hundred watts. If not a few thousand.

    Try see if you can rent a Bag End ELF subwoofer. :D
     
  3. EString

    EString

    Nov 20, 2000
    Los Altos, CA
    If the room is big, you may need multiple subs.
     
  4. Obsius29A

    Obsius29A

    Dec 20, 1999
    Huntington, NY
    "There's not much rumble in a 2x10 (except an ACME B2 would probably cut it), no matter how loud you drive it."

    Right, I remember thinking about that specific cabinet.
     
  5. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    If the Workingman's 1x10 in your profile is the amp you intend to use, you are not likely going to thump anything.

    I'm with Joris -- if you really think they're gonna be pissed if they don't feel the bass in their privates, you will need to rent a 300-watt rig with a 15.
     
  6. Obsius29A

    Obsius29A

    Dec 20, 1999
    Huntington, NY
    eli,

    Hopefully picking up a bigger rig soon. Probably something like an Aguilar 359 into an Aguilar 2x10, or maybe the preamp with a big power amp.

    How good are those Acme B-2 subs anyway? Does one need to use a crossover/seperate poweramp to really get any use out of it?
     
  7. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    hey... you're HERE!

    Can't comment much on subs... I do know you want a crossover, but not to protect the sub. You can send a sub a high freq signal, it'll just ignore it. The problem without a crossover is that if you send low frequency power to a smaller spk, you'll cook it.

    I still think you want 15's if you want to thump, but if you're in the Aguilar price range, then ask more questions here. You'll definitely get some opinions! I myself am stuck in the Carvin financial stratum, but you can't complain about their watts/dollar ratio...
     
  8. Obsius29A

    Obsius29A

    Dec 20, 1999
    Huntington, NY
    Yeah, in terms of price, I'm lucky in that I can afford a quality set up if I buy used/find good deals, etc. My bass, which I absolutely love, was a steal at 500 bucks or so, leaving me with a good amount in my gear budget to expand the rig. I suppose that in the long run, I'd like to own a rig that is both somewhat portable (ie. 2x10s instead of 4x10s, etc.) as well as loud with a warm yet full range sound capable of holding its own without a PA, but having the capacity to be used at a lower stage volume and with a higher emphasis on FOH sound.
     
  9. D. Matthews

    D. Matthews

    Apr 16, 2001
    Canada
    FYI,
    Acme's are best when you run them full range. Andy even makes a note of this in the instruction manual. I use 2 Low B-2's (4ohm) powered by a QSC PLX 2402. Lots of bottom end when you want it.
     
  10. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    Let's see, you're playing a college beer party and people are suggesting Bag End subs? :rolleyes:

    Any old 2-15 cab with 200 watts or so into it will give them all the "thump" they're after :p
     
  11. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Too bad this is a one-off gig. About a month and a half ago, the company that makes the earplugs our band uses, Sensaphonics, loaned us "Bass Shakers" for a weekend of gigs.

    Believe me, these things are like putting a friggin' earthquake in the room! All they need is a power amp and something to mount to. They take the bass frequencies and convert them into energy with a motor. I don't know the tech aspects much because they had a music store temporarily install them. The "Buttkicker" is a similar product. That company is coming out with a speaker system for bass guitar that is supposed to get the same effect.

    As Sensaphonics says,

    "This resonation is perceived as clear and deep bass without the damaging effects which often accompany big sound pressure levels. Bass Shakers generate astonishing body-thumping force without distortion, delivering a clean and clear music experience with a powerful bass foundation."

    Here's one mounted to a drummer's throne for the bass drum(s) kicks -

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
  13. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    :D :D ....if you do Hate, be sure you're cool with the egos in your band. From my experience, YOU will most definitely get the crowd's attention if you're playing dance clubs.
     
  14. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    From reading the user's manual on this thing, it is apparent that it needs to be INSTALLED in a listening area, not brought in and merely set up like another speaker. For example, in a living room, you bolt this thing to the joists under the floor.

    Other than that, it seems to be most effective as a monitor, allowing yourself to feel thump; but you need to bolt it to a board and then stand on that board. Not a really stage-friendly gadget.
     
  15. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Eli - We didn't use them onstage. Monitors are fine. The tech. guy bolted them to the handrailings that surround the dance floor. The boards in the floor did the rest of the work.

    If I get the story right, they were originally developed for amusement parks and home/film theaters so the audience got the full bass experience.

    The Buttkicker AirPump looks like it might be fun whenever they decide to go mass market -

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Hmmmm...I would get some attention for once? I am definately going to check this out then!

    Eli: The Buttkicker is listed in the latest Musician's Friend catalog, along with the following: "...fasten to a throne (for drummers) or under a floor box (for bassists)." Also, Buttkicker's website states that this thing has been used by the Backdoor (oops, I mean Backstreet) Boys in concert.

    I dunno -- I'm under the feeling that no matter where you put that thing, someone's going to feel something!
     
  17. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    So I guess I should ask Rickbass how many of these things the tech guy bolted to the railings, and how big was the dance floor? Any idea how much power he fed them with?
     
  18. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Their FAQ can probably provide more info than I can. www.sensaphonics.com . They have their own amps, "Aura" was printed on them, I think.
     
  19. nanook

    nanook

    Feb 9, 2000
    Alaska
    I agree 100% with this recommendation. A good 18" or even a 15" will make their guts jerk 30 feet away.