Felicita, or octave triplets I was not able to master

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by Eli_Kyiv, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Eli_Kyiv

    Eli_Kyiv

    Apr 7, 2020
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Two years ago my band decided to learn "Felicita" for an oncoming gig. "Felicita" was a synth-pop/italo-disco hit of 1982, immensely popular through Europe after it won a second place on Sanremo festival.

    The bassline of this song seemed quite simple as it consists exclusively of octave triplets.
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    Tried as I might I was not able to perform this line steadily and with any kind of definition. Fingerstyle, pick, slap - no matter. In the best case there was a constant hum of unmuted string, in the worst case I was not able to play this line at all for more than a couple of bars. :(
    In the end I played this on a keyboard bass (I have a 4-octaves MIDI keyboard with built-in GM sounds, CME U-Key 49, which I ocasionally use as a keyboard bass). It was OK, but my failure to play the line on a bass guitar still haunts me.
    How would you play it, my fellow TBers? Any suggestion?
     
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  2. Nashrakh

    Nashrakh

    Aug 16, 2008
    Hamburg, Germany
    I would play this with three fingers on my right hand. The piece isn't fast per se, but all the skipping around may be tiring, thus my advice would be to incorporate your thumb. For the measure shown: thumb on the low C, and index and middle finger on the octave (alternating between them). Maybe just the index finger if you're comfortable.
     
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  3. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music. Supporting Member

    Why not tap it with two hands?
    Alternating the notes.
    Left index lower octave.
    Right index upper octave.
     
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  4. crobasster

    crobasster

    Jun 16, 2009
    croatia
    You are aware that this bass part was played by synthesizer ?

    I would played simply with octaves .
     
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  5. Eli_Kyiv

    Eli_Kyiv

    Apr 7, 2020
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Good idea. Unfortunately it never crossed my mind - maybe because I'm not any good in tapping.
    Of course, and arpeggiated for sure. But I wanted to give it a "live" touch.
     
  6. Matty Koff

    Matty Koff Inactive

    Aug 21, 2014
    Tennessee
    Not saying I could do it any better, but skipping strings is something I've been working on, as well as floating thumb for keeping my muting under control.

    If I were going to attempt something like this, I'd approach it Index Middle Middle, Index Index Middle, Middle Index Index, Middle Middle Index keeping the strings between octaves and higher than what I'm playing muted with the left hand and keeping my lower strings muted with the thumb of my plucking hand.

    Kind of a raking technique, where I use the same finger when descending, and alternate when ascending. I'd have to spend some time practicing it slowly, but after a few days of doing that and bumping up speed I wouldn't really have to think about it.

    With a pick I'd use alternating strokes and likely palm mute with some left hand muting as well.
     
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  7. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    Thumb on the low C, alternating the index and middle on the high C, muting with the low E string with the base of your thumb as you play the higher C. Flatten your fretting hand a bit if the G string starts to resonate (it’s the fifth of C, so very possible).
     
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  8. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music. Supporting Member

    Try it!
    I just did.
    Actually it's easier if you use just your middle fingers when tapping it.
    Alternate R,L,R - L,R,L -etc....
     
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  9. SteveCS

    SteveCS

    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    @Nashrakh and @Koshchei are on the right track, IMHO. I might deviate from strict alternating 'i' and 'm' in favour of p-i-p-m-p-i-p-i-p-m-p-i, so that 'm' is used when there is a high note on the beat and i is always used when the high note is off the beat, which I think will make shaping of the line easier. YMMV
     
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  10. crobasster

    crobasster

    Jun 16, 2009
    croatia
    Would you try this ?!

     
  11. nilorius

    nilorius Inactive

    Oct 27, 2016
    Riga - Latvia
    The problem is - speed You play it. You should start it learn slower and then go up, that will do.
     
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  12. Basta-bass

    Basta-bass

    Feb 26, 2020
    Paris (France)
    With the fingers...
    As there are two notes (low and high of octave) I use two fingers... index for the low and medius for the high. I alternate triplets starting one with index the next with medius and again ad libitum...
    Tempo is quite slow, that's not so difficult, just trick to get your fingers automatically do...
    ;)
     
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  13. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    I play three finger, so am used to the downbeat moving around (a pro and con of this approach is having to learn each pattern with a different starting finger so that I build in enough wiggle room for on-stage shagups.)

    That said, if you’re stronger at accenting notes with one finger, then definitely build a pattern that places it on the downbeat.
     
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  14. Basta-bass

    Basta-bass

    Feb 26, 2020
    Paris (France)
    Wow...
    All this seems such a complicated thing for a two notes pattern!!!:eek:
    Just alternate index and medius!
     
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  15. Eli_Kyiv

    Eli_Kyiv

    Apr 7, 2020
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Yes, this seems possible. Not the exact copy but good enough.
     
  16. Basta-bass

    Basta-bass

    Feb 26, 2020
    Paris (France)

    Made this real quickly, sorry for bad quality, but you should be able to get my point...
     
  17. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    Actually, having tried it, I think that this is the correct approach, if you want to maintain the same timbre as in the recording. You can mute unwanted resonance by playing it like this:
    1) Barre your fretting-hand index finger across all four strings as a mute (around the 6th fret so that you don't sound the 7th fret harmonic).
    2) ring finger of fretting hand taps the low C on the E string (8th fret).
    3) index finger of plucking hand taps the high C on the D string (10th fret).
     
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  18. SteveCS

    SteveCS

    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    Yes, the line is very simple and the alternating i+m approach will work adequately. Alternating i+m is a fundamental method that can be used for most things. But it's a bit like the beginner violinist that always plays alternating up and down bows, regardless of the accents, time signature, rhythm, phrasing, shaping and so on. There are times when something else might be more suitable, and IMHO, this might be one of them. YMMV.
     
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  19. Dean N

    Dean N

    Jul 4, 2006
    Pittsburgh, PA
    With a metronome! Well, that's how I'd practice it. Slower, then up to speed as coordination and endurance improves.

    Left index and ring fingers fretting, right thumb plucking low C, index (and maybe some middle) finger plucking high C.

    If you practice with a slow, even very slow, tempo, you'll figure out a way to mute the extra strings. Then gradually work up to tempo. This advice is valid for pretty much every challenging part in my experience.
     
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  20. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Inactive

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    Your band has been playing it for two years. If you had spent a little time each day practicing it, you’d probably be able to play it by now. There are no secrets, just hard work and perseverance.