Fender 75 RI - lack of dynamics!?!

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by dezspet, Jun 20, 2008.

  1. dezspet


    Mar 21, 2007
    I wonder if you have the same experience. I have just bought my second 75RI from Japan, this time an alder/rosewood one with matching headstock in vintage lake placid blue. This instrument looks extremely cool!
    I used to have another Japanese one with ash/maple. I have also played the American modell several times (ash/maple).
    I love the look and they are very comfortable instruments. Though the ash/maple was too heavy for me, my main problem is with their sound. IMO they don't have enough dynamics. Their sound is nice, well balanced, but very compressed, with less headroom than other Fenders. It's definitely an advantage for slapping but for finger style I miss the body resonance and sensitivity.
    Do you have the same experince, or am I just unlucky with the specific ones I had in my hands?
    If it is true in you opinion, what is the main reason of that? Wood selections?
  2. pyrohr


    Aug 28, 2001
    Pakistani compound
    The MIJ 75RI bass in the body combo you have is basically a 60's jazz bass. The MIJ 75 bass does not have the 70's spacing nor the MIA "vintage 75" pups in them thus the softer sound.
  3. fullrangebass


    May 7, 2005
    I would suggest that the bass should have a proper set up. Once properly set up you will know what you have in your hands and then we can all chime in our thoughts
  4. dezspet


    Mar 21, 2007
    The CIJ 75 RI does have the American Vintage Pups. And I believe the setup is perfect. Maybe it'sreally just the CIJ though, IME American Fenders have more resonance somehow.
  5. sonicvi


    Jun 10, 2005
    Houston, TX
    Are you sure it's Alder? When I bought my CIJ '75 a few years ago it allegedly ash, and mine is quite heavy.
  6. Lindsey


    Nov 8, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    I've got a '98 model CIJ 75 RI. Ash/Maple. It weighs over 9lbs.
    Wasn't particularly happy with the sound for the same reasons as the OP.
    Put a set of Nordy NJ4's in and it now sounds unreal. Other than that it's completely stock.

    FWII it's very quiet too. The factory wiring is actually quite good with a star ground set up terminating to the bridge volume pot.
  7. pyrohr


    Aug 28, 2001
    Pakistani compound
    The CIJ has MIA vintage pups not "Vintage 75" like the MIA 75RI basses! Those pups could be anything!!!:meh:
  8. zenlowend


    Jan 26, 2008
    yep..you need a MIA RI. They ROCK! check craigslist or ebay. They do pop up from time to time.
  9. Well, I have to be completely honest here. I had wanted a 75RI (ash with maple - black pickguard- black binding and fret markers) for a LONG time. Thanks to George Bush, I had enough to put me "over the top".

    I have experienced none of those "qualities" that you speak of...now, granted, mine is a MIA model, but I seriously doubt that there would be THAT much of a difference in models (I have a couple of CIJ P basses, as well)

    I do not slap. I play straighforward bass lines and it sounds like a million bucks. I WILL say, however, that it took a tad bit of "getting used to". The vintage PUPS seem to be a bit (not much) more middy that the usual Pickups or even say, the 62 RI pups. That MIGHT be me, though.

    I would suggest that if you are as much of a fan of the 75 as I am, to try this, switch out the vintage PUPS for, say, a set of noiseless PUPS and see if that doesn't make it sound a little better for you....who knows, might do the trick!

    In any event, welcome to the RI club!!
  10. its not just you. they sounded more middy to me as well with a slightly muted top end. i finally found the right pickups for that bass with a set of fralins.
  11. pyrohr


    Aug 28, 2001
    Pakistani compound
    The MIA 75RI bass does indeed sound a little more middy, This is what makes it a thump and poppers (slappers) dream! The mids help cut through the mix easier with less tone knob fiddling. The way I deal with this is to find the correct strings for this bass. It also matters what amp and cab you come through. With my GK or Markbass heads I lose no top end at all, and as a matter of fact I once blew the bulb in one of my GK cabs with the highs being to rich before I learned how to properly use the tweets!
  12. AndyMan

    AndyMan Commercial User

    Jun 17, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    bad ass bridge + J-Retro pre
  13. Dbassmon


    Oct 2, 2004
    Rutherford, NJ
    Dynamics can be found in the fingers of the player.
    Dynamics = difference between loud and soft. Pickups do not add compression and while you will find variations in wood resonance, dynamics is a function of touch. The more string amplitude, the more voltage induced to the coil, the greater the signal from the pickup.

    Perhaps you mean something other than dynamics?
  14. dezspet


    Mar 21, 2007
    When I say lack of dynamics, I mean exactly that: the difference between the loudest and softest sound, aka headroom is smaller IME than in other Jazz Basses. That is why I say, they sound compressed to me. E.g. the New American Standard for me is a good example of a bass with a lots of headroom, or dynamics. I really enjoy that. I also find it's sound richer, fuller than the 75RI. That does not mean that the 75RI has an unpleasent sound. Actually I'm not sure which one works better in the mix.
    I was thinking about new pickups. Which one would you go: Lindy Fralin or Nordstrand? (Maintaining the vintage sound!)
  15. Lindsey


    Nov 8, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    Check out the j pickup sticky thread. It's a great source of information.

    I put in nordy NJ4's and they sound great. Much more balanced across the tonal range than that the stock pu's and they have allot more punch.
  16. Valerus


    Aug 4, 2005
    Austin, Texas
    I have the pre and it makes a big difference in tonal capability/control :)
  17. mongo2


    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    Compression is an active process and the bass is passive. Could you please explain how compression is happening?

    Perhaps the pickups need to be placed closer to the strings?
  18. dezspet


    Mar 21, 2007

    Maybe this is my English, but for me "compressed sound" is what it is. It's irrelevant from physics or electronics or generally from the source of the compression, this is a property of the sound.
    I think it has something to do in this case with considerably less body resonance, so I have the feeling that 75RIs tending to have a more "compressed" (focused?) sound, with less sensitivity to the players (finger-)dynamics. So I wonder if a new pickup can significantly improve that specific property of the sound (though I believe it can improve the overall sound). Because at the moment I am satisfied with tone-balance, tone-quality, etc. My only complain is that mysterious "compressed" thing. Sorry for not being crystal clear for some of you!:bag: