After having almost every flavor of boutique jazz and p basses, sadowsky metro/NYC, lakland USA, Nordy, ken smith USA, etc. I got a pair of 2012 Fender American Standards. 2012 jazz is 7.8 lbs, perfect balance, zero dead spots, great punchy tone 2012 p is 8.7 lbs, great balance, zero dead spots, perfect old pbass tone with flats The fretwork and action is great and I say really on par with the boutiques I have had. I got both used. Both of these are significantly less expensive together than one of the boutiques. Funny thing is I actually prefer the tone and feel. Like them better than the 2001 custom shop jazz I had too. Did I just luck out finding two good ones? Or others have the the same experience? For the money I have into these, first basses which may be basses for life I have had.