Fender American Vintage II - black overspray inside 3 tone burst?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by rsatch, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. rsatch


    Jan 4, 2008
    Just received my American Vintage II 1960 P bass. First thing that caught my eye opening the case was the amount of black overspray inside of the burst finish. Is this accurate to the 60’s or did I get one with a bad paint job? Maybe I just haven’t noticed this before on 3T burst? Tried to search couldn’t find anything on this prior. Let me know what you think.

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  2. Tom Winter

    Tom Winter

    Nov 21, 2022
    Lebanon, IL
    I think its good. I see what you mean. I like it. In the future it may be worth more.
  3. MrB64


    Nov 18, 2021
    Missouri, USA
    I like it, too.
  4. rsatch


    Jan 4, 2008
    It looks great from a little distance away because it isn't super bright yellow in the middle.
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  5. Moondog

    Moondog Supporting Member

    Feb 17, 2001
    Cary, NC USA
    Interesting. I'm not sure if that is vintage accurate or not.

    Would you mind doing a short review? Not much info out there on these yet.
  6. Grinderman


    Dec 21, 2013
    Los Angeles
    How does the top side look?

    Burst finishes tend to have the element of approximation, with the randomness of the hand, and subjectivity so, in that sense, it might be judged as accurate. They weren't painted by robots and they still aren't.

    Back in Leo Fender's day, maybe that would have passed, or maybe it would have been set aside to be over-sprayed for a special/upgrade ordered custom color.


    I'm not sure based on the limitations of the two images but I think I like this one. I've always preferred more subdued or darker burst finishes; 2-tone and so-called 2-1/2 tone/faded vintage, and chocolate bursts than super bright, colorful 3-tone bursts more synonymous with mid to late '60s Fenders.

    However, it's your choice. What matters is, do you like it?
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  7. JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Gold Supporting Member

    how does it play?
  8. Grinderman


    Dec 21, 2013
    Los Angeles
    It would be cool if Fender would agree to take it back, and over-spray it with a classic custom color of your choice, accurate for 1960, for a reasonable up-charge, but that's my daydreaming.
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  9. Smooth_bass88

    Smooth_bass88 vaxx!

    Oct 31, 2006
    Western Hemisphere
    It looks fine.
  10. Grinderman


    Dec 21, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Sounds dark too. ;)


    Wear a big belt buckle, play it lots, and much of that could be scratched off in a few years.

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  11. Treyheartsweed


    Apr 3, 2022
    Fwiw, my AO 50’s doesn’t have that (it’s also 2T tho), but I much prefer your finish. Looks sweet!
  12. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    It’s not technically the 1960s at the moment so no, it’s not accurate in any way.

    It’s manufactured by Fender which makes it 100% accurate in every way.

    I don’t see the problem.
  13. Coughdrops

    Coughdrops Supporting Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    South Florida
    I personally think it looks great. Just random variation to an unscientific type of paint job. If it otherwise plays, sounds, and feels good I would stick with it. If you look at enough vintage burst guitars and basses you'll see a good bit of variation with over spray, or the black border being real thick or real thin etc. All part of the charm of having something that isn't built entirely by a robot and isn't exactly the same every time.
  14. Moondog

    Moondog Supporting Member

    Feb 17, 2001
    Cary, NC USA
    There's definitely a lot of variation in burst finishes. Just the nature of the beast.
  15. DrBnz


    Apr 4, 2021
    Yeah, I wouldn't like that either. I seen a few "Dark Knight" paint jobs that just looked like an over-spray mess too. Looked like a dirty spray nozzle was sputtering paint all over the place.
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  16. Anthony Buckeridge

    Anthony Buckeridge

    Nov 15, 2014
    My hunch would be that the hand sprayer took the gun a little too close to the edge and overspray was the result. Could a new employee spraying be responsible? That would be my first guess.

    It’s also possible that it might have been caused by a build-up of material on the fluid tip by a damaged fluid tip or ill-fitting needle/fluid tip combination or indeed a damaged air cap. Usually that build up finally results in little specs or blobs shot across the finish. That would be my second most likely guess.

    In an industrial spray booth, the overspray should be sucked away by a strong airflow draught, so it’s equally possible that there was a problem with the air filtering and draught suction plant, that the booth relies upon, as such issues do happen and that can result in such problems, but would be less likely and my third guess.

    All the factory spraying facilities in guitar plants I personally have seen, even with big brand manufacturers appear to be pretty basic in wider industrial terms. Often, my observation has been that the proper personal protection equipment that should be used, is not properly enforced. So, a too casual working culture compared altogether to other industries.

    Think about it, the yellow material is applied, then the red is applied, then the black is applied and the overspray occurs. At that point, the instrument is about to be passed to the clear coat stage. If they notice the problem, they might be able to class that body as a reject, but I doubt they even had the facilities to re-route the product.

    So, if a problem occurs the product simply moves to the next process where the excess overspray is buried uber the clear coat and the instrument is either passed at final inspection or rejected. Factory managers are under pressure to build predetermined daily qualities to fulfil prescheduled orders. They have to have sufficient quantities of the correct paint material, properly filtered and mixed for the orders that day.

    Someone made a “business decision” in regard to the quality versus quantity balance in the factories favour, rather than the customer’s favour.

    The bottom line is that the instruments finish is clearly not as intended by virtue of traditional design parameters, which if I understand the marketing spiel correctly, is rather the point of this model range.

    Whether that causes you, purchasing a premium costing instrument, enough dismay to return it or not might depend on two factors. How much this defect bothers you and how happy you are with every other aspect of the instrument.

    It may be an exceptional bass in every other respect, but only you can tell and answer such questions to your personal satisfaction.

    I would be surprised if anything other than the issues I initially outlined was responsible for the overspray.

    I'm laying out the probable causes, in the hope that insight, will help you make a decision.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2023
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  17. 6-3-2


    Sep 20, 2003
    Looks great, adds some nice texture to the golden part.
  18. Ricky Rioli

    Ricky Rioli

    Sep 29, 2020
    Are you enjoying drafting your I'm loving this bass, I'm wanting to keep it, but there's something eating into its resale value.... email?
  19. I like it.
  20. pbassnut

    pbassnut Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2004
    Falls Church, VA
    Sunbursts are like snowflakes ... every one is different and there's no "official" 60's sunburst. It looks like that overspray can only be seen up close. It's a good looking finish in my book.
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