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Fender Bassman 10,100, or 59 Reissue.

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Funkadelicious, May 22, 2020.


  1. Funkadelicious

    Funkadelicious

    Dec 25, 2013
    Hey y’all ! I’m lookin to buy a Fender Bassman. I’ve found serious deals locally, but not sure which one to go for. I would mainly use the amp to record bass and a little bit of guitar
    Deal 1 1973 Bassman 10 combo, good condition, 2 speakers were restored.Some tubes were replaced. 500 $
    Deal 2 Bassman 100 head with 412 cab, ok condition, around 1976. 800 $
    Deal 3 Bassman 59 reissue. Recent version, like new. 800 $
    Deal 4 is a Fender Super Reverb 1971, very clean,all original and recently serviced. 650$
    Any input will be appreciated. I play a Gibson Sg Bass or Japanese mustang. I played a 59 Bassman reissue once and was blown away by the clearness and warmth that I got out of it. Going to try out the Bassmen 10 tonight, cause the guy is close and it’s pretty cheap so why not !! Thanks
     
  2. Redbrangus

    Redbrangus Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2018
    Under The X In Texas
    Bassman Ten for $500...? Oh hell no.
     
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  3. Funkadelicious

    Funkadelicious

    Dec 25, 2013
    Not even worth tryin out in your opinion ?
     
  4. Redbrangus

    Redbrangus Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2018
    Under The X In Texas
    Sorry...didn't mean to get rude. My visceral response was to the price...that's not at all cheap if we're talking $US. But at least it's a bass amp, after a fashion. Are you looking for a bass amp? I ask, because unless you're planning to play extremely quietly, neither the Super Reverb or the Bassman reissue are usable for bass, as they have open-backed speakers. (However $650's probably an OK price for a silver-faced Super)

    The Bassman 10 was not a particularly good bass amp even in it's day. (I bought one new in '73 and still have it.) It does have the characteristic Bassman sound in the amp, but the speaker system is totally inadequate and the paltry 50-watts isn't enough power to do anything with unless your goal is to overdrive it.

    The '59 Reissue is not intended to be a bass amp, I don't think--not if it's open-backed like the original...it's intended to capture the lead guitar market that prizes the sound of those old 50-watt amps...again, overdrive is part of the allure. Edit: I confirmed that it IS open-backed...a non-starter for a bass amp, IMO. Fender may have intended them to be bass amps back in 1959, but they didn't know what they were doing and they weren't all that effective. The enduring popularity of that amp, and 50-watt Bassman's, too, for that matter, is because of gee-tar pickers, not bass players. Edit: Oh, and blues-harp players...they eat that stuff up.

    If you think you'd like the sound of a regular old Bassman, the Bassman 10 wouldn't be a horrible deal at $250, but play it first...the sound might not be as buttery as you remember. I'd sell my Bassman 10 in a heartbeat for $250, and be thrilled to get it, but it's not exactly pristine...I 'loaned' it out for couple of years.:(

    The Bassman 100, OTOH, has some potential. I can't speak to how the price compares to the market--I haven't ever shopped them--but at least that has some power and a usable speaker system. Oh wait...is the 412 cab the "pyramid" box, with the 12"s cross-firing at angles...? Uhmmmm….:rollno:
     
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  5. Funkadelicious

    Funkadelicious

    Dec 25, 2013
    I dont intend to play live with this amp. only for studio and experimenting, as this will be my first tube amp. I will play at low volume and will be be happy if it gets some nice OD if I drive it. I wonder how it sounds with pedals..

    The Bassman 100 is the " worst " lookin one but is suppose to be 100% Original, except for the added groud. Cab look like a regular 412, wich is HUGE. Ill message the guy again and ask for is lowest price and more pictures.
    thanks !
     
  6. Redbrangus

    Redbrangus Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2018
    Under The X In Texas
    If it's this box, it IS rather huge. You don't need anything that big for your use, do you?
    Pyramid.jpg
    If the Bassman Ten is in OK shape and you can talk him down off that price, maybe it would work for you. As I said, both the Reissue and the Super aren't truly bass amps, but either of them would work in a low-level, recording situation--there's nothing about the amps themselves that makes them different from a regular Bassman. In fact, I think I'd consider buying the Super Reverb with the plan of getting some sort of different cab for bass purposes, and it would be a good guitar amp for recording. Actually, the same could be done with the Reissue, and it might make a better amp for recording guitar, since you wouldn't have to turn it up so hellishly loud to get the 'drive'. Super Reverbs, like Twins, are loud as...well, you know. :D

    Edit: If you do go to check out the Bassman Ten, take a look at the bottom. The cab is made of chipboard - another reason it ain't worth 500 clams - and it came equipped with stem-type casters; if the cab has been abused or gotten wet, many times there will be damage on the bottom that might go unnoticed.
     
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  7. I'd look out for an Ampeg B15N if it's just for in home playing. IMHO Fender didn't make a decent bass amp until the Rumble series.
     
  8. Redbrangus

    Redbrangus Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2018
    Under The X In Texas
    I was pretty sure you'd weigh in on this subject, @BassmanPaul. :)
     
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  9. MCF

    MCF

    Sep 1, 2014
    US
    I would look into ordering one of these if you want all tube goodness.
    YBA100 – Traynor Amps
     
  10. I've gigged both a '59 Bassman clone with the open backed 4X10, and a silverface Bassman 50 with Ampeg 210SVT speakers.

    The '59 sounds great but only at pretty low volumes. It was originally issued as a bass amp but you need to keep in mind that bands in the 50's were not near as loud as bands today and speaker tech was pretty primitive. It would work for home practice. I played it at a low volume casino gig and it was just fine.

    The silverface Bassmans can sound extraordinarily good but the speakers in the Bassman 10 let it down a bit. The Bassman 100 is a great head, and a versatile wattage, but again the cab is probably not great. I haven't played one, but Fender bass amps have a poor reputation mostly due to the speakers. My Bassman 50 is the best sounding amp I own and I have quite a few (TE Elf, GK 700RBII, Ampeg Micro SVT, Triptop B15, Fender Bassman 800, and a few more that I can't recall right now.)

    All of the amps you listed will sound very "vintage". They won't have the really deep lows that modern amps have. They are more about the low mids than bass. If you like that sound they can be divine.

    To make a long story short, out of the amps you listed, I would probably look at the Bassman 100 if you could get them to come down a bit on price. Sell the cab and use the money to buy a modern cab.
     
  11. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    I have a 73 Super, and it is so not a bass amp.
     
  12. Redbrangus

    Redbrangus Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2018
    Under The X In Texas
    There's not much wrong with using the amp part of a Super Reverb for bass...it's the speakers that keep it from being a workable rig. Plug that amp into a 215 cab and sweetness ensues.
    If by experimenting, you mean you want to explore modifying a tube amp, the Bassman Ten is not a bad platform for that...it's got plenty of extra real estate on the chassis...there's even room enough to add an extra tube if you're the really ambitious type. If you're handy with tools, you could graft a single 15 baffle board onto it and ditch the 10's--they're 32-ohm speakers, and they're crummy, so they would have limited resale value. Or, I have seen the amp stuck in a separate, after-market 'head' cabinet.

    I wouldn't consider any of the amps you listed to be especially desirable as a pedal platform--they have such distinctive vintage voices of their own. I think of more neutral sounding amps as being more suited to that purpose, but that doesn't mean one of these wouldn't work...it's a matter of taste.
     
  13. 9Thumbs

    9Thumbs

    Jul 3, 2013
    Near Boston
    Yeah they did, the BXR300C is the best combo I've ever had the pleasure of using. Super tone, loud as all getout, but very heavy. I think they appeared in the late eighties.
    bxr.jpg
     
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  14. I sold my bxr and got a rumble, size and weight man, size and weight.
     
  15. ArteK

    ArteK Supporting Member

    I too loved the sound of my BXR-300C. But man that thing weighed like iron. I remember I took the head out and used a lighter cab for a while.
     
  16. Funkadelicious

    Funkadelicious

    Dec 25, 2013
    I really was looking to have some vintage tube tone. So I ended up with the super reverb for 600... this thing has a killer mojo and is so much fun. the guy for the bassman 10 was playin stoner and heavy fuzz stuff. I didnt have a good feelin even tough the Od of the amp did sounded cool. And you guys were right, it had no headroom at all. The guy for the bassman 100 didnt want to lower is price and the cab was in bad condition, so it would have been very hard to sale.

    The Super Reverb will need some work on the speakers (one out of four original speakers has a hole but i cant even hear it). The amp section works A1. The reverb is noisy if I crank it up, but playin chord with my SG Bass in the Vibrato channel is just crazy. even better with my darkglass vintage microtubes. Im a happy man.
     
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  17. I hope it gives you years of service. :)
     
  18. I didn't like that amp in any way. Used to play through one at a rehearsal spot quite regularly. By the late Eighties I was playing through self designed and built amplification.
     
  19. "Deal 2 Bassman 100 head with 412 cab, ok condition, around 1976. 800 $"
    I bought one new in early 70's! Head is great, cab not so much and as Redbrangus said it's HUGE!
    The 4-12's didn't sound so good (young teen playing rock!). I traded for a new Sunn Concert Bass amp with 2 JBL 15's (very nice!)
    The whole reason I bring this up is $800 for a Bassman 100 head alone (if in good condition) is not a bad price!
    Have Fun!
     
  20. Self Reply!!!
    Note to self: Check Reverb BEFORE POSTING!
    Nope! $800 for OK condition is not a good price! Please forget about the Cab.
    Sorry!
    Carry on!
    :D
     

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