Fender SCN - Nordstrand NJ5FS comparison

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by B String, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I'm thinking of changing the pickups in my Fender Am Dlx J V.
    Has anyone compaired these pickups? I'm looking to tame my
    Maple board a little and fatten the tone a bit too. I don't
    want to loose the punch. Any opinions on the SCN's vs the
    NJ5FS five string pickups?
  2. Fire-Starter

    Fire-Starter Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    I have the NJ5FS in my Marcus Miller 5, no punch lost at all from the addition of the NJ5SF. Sorry I cant speak to the scn issue though.
  3. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    i think you're comparing hot dogs with filet mignon here.
  4. have you tried both sets of pickups in the same bass?
  5. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I haven't tried anything yet. I know the SCN's are good
    pickups as are the Nordstrands. I'm just trying to get an idea
    of the differences in basic tone between the two.
    Also..... which is the hot dog?
  6. Shelly


    Jul 12, 2006
    Brighton, Michigan
    I had Nordstrands in my J Deluxe V for awhile. IME, the Nordstrands were actually noiser, but I think that's because they add more highs. I found myself rolling back the treble more than with the SCN's. Even thought the Nords are more even-sounding, I ended up re-installing the SCN's because I preferred the tone.
  7. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles

    Interesting... I think the SCN's have a pretty extended high
    end now. I'm after a fatter more even sound, while still being
    able to keep all the punch.
  8. have you thought about a preamp change? a more neutral sounding pre than whats in there might work better with the naturally extended highs of that type of humcancelling jazz pickup.
  9. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    A while back I experimented and installed a bypass switch for
    the preamp. In the flat position, the preamp sounded very
    similar to the bypassed sound. I tend to tweak the preamp
    very little on the gig, and almost never in the studio. Mainly
    for room adjustments or speaker issues.
    I didn't know the stock Fender pre is not neutral sounding.
    Which pre are you thinking of?
  10. well, almost all pres ive used to me sound like the highs open up to some extent compared to the bass wired up passive due to whatever the science is with the loading of passive pickups. i had a set of dimarzio ultrajazzes and samarium cobalt noiseless with a jretro and a bart and didnt really care for how they reacted. passive though was fine.

    ive stopped using humcancelling pickups, but the singles i prefer (pickups in my 62 and 78 jazz and custom antquity 2's) are not as hot as most aftermarket sets and have a similar extended/airy top end that a humcancelling set has. those pickups matched with jimmy coppolos pre is fantastic. the pre set flat doesnt sound too hyped and i really like where the frequencies are set. the bass is a little higher than a typical pre and fattens thing up nicely without boom and the highs are voiced a little lower. this sounds really good with airier pickups and sounds terrible with really grindy/hotter single coils imo. i would imagine it would work very nicely with a humcancelling pickup as it would provide some balance to an already modern sounding pickup.
  11. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles

    My Tyler 5 has a Demeter pre in it. Like your Copolos bass, the
    Demeter lows are a tad higher and the highs a touch lower.
    The bass sounds wonderful. It has Barts that were wound
    specifically for Tyler. Something about quads, eh I don't know.

    So you think the preamp is the answer... which one?
  12. dont have a coppolo bass but i use his outboard pre. i cant recommend it enough. depending on where you are in la, hes a not that far of a drive away in upland. it might be worth a drive to go check out.
  13. edwinhurwitz

    edwinhurwitz Supporting Member

    May 13, 2003
    Boulder, CO
    Endorsing Artist: DR Strings, SMS
    You might try Seymour Duncan 1/4lb'ers (keep in mind that I'm endorser, so take my advice for what it's worth). I have a Lakland JO5. I didn't care for the stock pickups that much and put Barts in there. I liked them OK for slap, but fingerstyle didn't have the punch I wanted or the dynamics, all the notes kind of came out the same. A month ago I put in the 1/4 lb 5 string pickups and it took some of the edge off the highs and beefed up the low mids nicely. I can also get a better range of tones from adjusting my touch.

  14. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I thought Copolo was based out of New York!! I can get to
    Upland. Actually, Demeter makes an outboard preamp too.
    Not cheap, but good.
    I'm not sure a preamp will make all that big a difference,
    especially if I don't use it all that much. It seems like a pickup
    change might make more of a difference. maybe

    I'm not a big fan of the 1/4 pounders. Too huge a sound. Not
    what I'm after. But thanks for the idea.
  15. esxmac


    Aug 17, 2003
    I have the SCNs in in my ADJV too--I found raising them added significant fullness. I suggest playing with the pickup height before changin them-- I read somewhere that they have weaker magnets than most pups.
  16. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I agree. I've been able to raise these pickups higher than most
    others. I guess I'm trying to de-emphasize the Maple board
    sound. I have a killer bass, just wish it had a Rosewood board.
  17. esxmac


    Aug 17, 2003
    Ahh, while I like the maple board sound, one trick I tried was lowering the treble side on both pickups a bit. That took some of the edge off; here are my current measurements, if it helps:

    bass treb
    neck 4/64 5/64
    bridge 5/64 5/64
  18. esxmac


    Aug 17, 2003
    One more thing--IMHO, try nickel or nickel plated strings on maple and steel on rosewood. I find that the differences in tone are negligable after that

    I tried DR Lo-Riders on my ADJV (maple board), and couldn't stand them, but then I tried DR Nickel Lo-Riders and I love them. YMMV:)
  19. CElton

    CElton I'm a new note finder...

    Interesting. I have an ADJV w/rosewood board. I really don't have any complaints about the preamp, but have considered a change. Well, for no other reason than I can't leave well enough alone. The Nordstrand pre looks interesting to me.

    Check it out http://www.bestbassgear.com/nordstrand-bass-preamps.htm#nordstrandpreampspecs

    I like the frequencies espeically the bass:
    - Treble: +/- 12 [email protected]
    - Mid: +/-12 [email protected] (mid freq selector toggles between 1kHz and 400Hz)
    - Bass: +/- 12 [email protected]

    I also like the the mid selector and the passive tone control.