Fender Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar SS bass - head dive ?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by scottie65, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. scottie65


    Jul 31, 2013
    New Mexico
    Does the Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar Short Scale bass have a major issue with head dive or is just a minimal issue? Not sure and thought I would ask since I am considering buying one. I need a short scale because no matter how hard I try my short fingers have an issue with 34" scale bases. Thanks for any info.
  2. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    I would think the shorter scale would make it less likely to have neck dive, but...
    if they print "Fender Squier" on the headstock, that might just tip the scales enough
  3. ZenG

    ZenG Guest

    Squier JAG SS's are hit and miss. The weights vary on them and some have neck dive and some don't.

    First one I had dove like Greg Louganis. The one I have now doesn't.

    Don't order one in sight unseen. Play one and check it out before you buy.

    Other than that they are a good little shorty for the money.
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  4. Fenders/Squiers have unnecessarily large headstocks. Combine that with a shorter neck, and you're in downtown Neck Dive City.
  5. bunny brunell.jpg

    Bunny Brunel takes his strap and runs it above the upper back bout to correct neck dive. I have done this myself with both Carvin and Fender basses that have neck dive. Just make sure there are no sharp edges or buckles on the strap to cause scratches. :D
  6. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    It's quite the opposite actually, which is why guitars are less likely to have neck dive than basses.
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  7. scottie65


    Jul 31, 2013
    New Mexico
    I am surprised that the units vary that much in head weight. I guess the quality of the woods they use or the quality control they use in Indonesia is not as strict as I thought it would be even for a Fender company. Thanks for the heads up. I did find one at a local store in Albuquerque today and also the only one in town so I think I will take your advice and check it out.
  8. ZenG

    ZenG Guest

    Probably not so much the weight of the headstock and neck as it is the type of wood they use for the body...which can vary amongst the same brand/model of bass.

    This is also why the weight can vary for the bass.

    I guess if they use a really light wood for the body then there's more potential for a weight imbalance.

    This bodywood variation is not uncommon on other basses besides Squier Jag SS.
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  9. scottie65


    Jul 31, 2013
    New Mexico
    You have a very point there ZenG. I have seen more of the basses coming out with mahogany bodies to control weight since at times that causes problems with older guys but the head stocks are not large like on the Fender style units. I do remember a short scale unit I had a while back (Gretsch Jr Jet II) that was balanced pretty good but it had a heavy basswood body. Thanks for your input.
  10. jjmuckluckjr


    Mar 24, 2015
    Never had a neck dive problem with my Squier Jaguar SS. Like Killed by Death said, SS is closer to a guitar an less likely to be neck heavy, unlike a 5,6,7+ string long-scale. It was harder to balance my kindle than the bass!
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  11. CalBuzz51


    Mar 11, 2016
    My Jag SS has a slight dive due to its very light body, which I don't notice with the strap. It's a pretty good value. Well built, good player.
  12. My Jag Shorty neck-dives pretty good.
    I have one of those corn filled neck bags that I slip on to the strap at the butt end.
    That balances it out pretty well without having to hook something to my pants.
  13. scottie65


    Jul 31, 2013
    New Mexico
    Thanks for the photo jj. Glad it is not as bad as I thought. At one point I had four basses and I think it may have been the Schecter or the Squire Mustang that had the head dive but it was bad. I do not want another like that for sure. Thanks to all of you for sharing good info. I was not able to check out the SS Jag today but hope to make it over there tomorrow. It is about 75 miles away from where I live. In New Mexico it seems like you have to take a day trip to go anywhere when you live in the mountains.
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  14. My Jag SS has pretty bad dive. What are they, agathis? basswood? Light weight tuners would help but then you've basically doubled the price of the instrument especially if you have someone put them in for you. BTW, fender won't tell you what size the tuners are because they "don't support the modifications of our product."

  15. gln1955

    gln1955 Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Ohio, USA
    Mine does not have a noticeable dive and it's by far the lightest bass I've owned. If it does dive, my strap must make it a non-issue.
  16. Engle

    Engle Supporting Member

    Mine doesn't neck dive. I don't think Agathis is a real wood species, but whatever it is, it's heavy more often than not
    (based on the newer Squires I've picked up).
  17. You could take one off and measure the hole.
    I think they are a standard size.
    I tossed a set Grovers on mine. Fit right on without any mods.
    Not smaller or lighter, just switching hardware to Gold.
  18. scottie65


    Jul 31, 2013
    New Mexico
    From what I have found through the Fender site the body is agathis and the neck maple. I guess a lot also depends on how thick the body is compared to some other models. I agree about the tuners and think it should be an easy fix but I have not checked that out. I could be wrong. I guess if you did change the tuners the size hole could present an issue. Has anyone tried changing their tuners? I figure most would like to keep them original.
  19. scottie65


    Jul 31, 2013
    New Mexico
    Does anyone have a good source for buying bass parts to modify a unit? I noticed M_Friend did not have much of a selection.
  20. ZenG

    ZenG Guest

    Put USA Hipshots in mine. It doesn't dive but I put them in just to make it even better.

    Think they're the 1/2 inch ones. There's a very tiny bit of play.....but if you anchor the Hipshot at the bottom of the hole as you put the screws in back and tighten up....then there's absolutely no problem.

    The Hipshots have no string groove (hourglass shape) on them. So you need at least three windings to get the string down far enough on the post on the E and A.

    The D and G don't matter because the Jag comes with a string tree for those.

    But the E and A there isn't and those end up with not much bend on them if you don't use much winding turn.