I've done a search on all of the above and still haven't found what I'm looking for. I need an amp that does NOT focus on high mids, has plenty of power and growls a great deal. My Traynor doesn't have what I need despite having a great tone of its own, I just need something focused more on the lower end with the most growl imaginable. I may just be better off with SS technology but I like tube amps and would like to give it another shot. I love the Mesa's tone and have played one and loved, but it was for three minutes with a Rick 4003 which wasn't mine through a Boogie 610. So I guess I'm asking your opinion since I'll buy used what you all believe better suits my needs for rock basically and nothing else. I use my fingers, slap a little and use a pick sometimes so basically all playing styles, but tap. Since no one around here has one of these right now I can't test them so I'm going to do nothing, or go ebay style. Just experiences, perferably gigged but whatever will work. Thanks for the help guys!